What caused the military plane to skid into the St. Johns River?

What caused the military plane to skid into the St. Johns River?


so the big question that remains unanswered is what caused this plane to skid off the runway what exactly happened will be left up to the NTSB investigators to figure out but our news for Jax aviation expert Edie Boothe joins me now here on the morning show we’ve been tracking the plane’s movements with the help of flight aware the Boeing 737 departed Naval Station Norfolk about 5:30 in the morning landed at nes jacks at 7:20 plane departed NES Jack’s again about 3 p.m. and landed at Gitmo in two and a half hours let’s go to rotators so it basically rotates between airports at 7:20 Miami International plane left Guantanamo Bay got to Jacksonville about 9:40 that’s when it was attempting to land at NES Jack’s and wound up skidding off the runway into the st. Johns River so II D the runway that he was trying to land on it’s an east-west runway obviously he’s west because correct he went into the st. Johns River you told me it’s about 9,000 feet long that’s plenty of room to make a safe landing mile and a half 200 feet wide it’s one of the most capable runways in Jacksonville so what do you think the NTSB is gonna find they’re gonna look at the flight tracking data which I’ve been able to pull up and look at the airplane was going way too fast on its final approach close to 200 miles an hour which is what about 30 miles per hour 30 miles an hour too fast we don’t know at which point he touched down on the runway but between being too fast on the approach possibly not touching down at the first part of the runway not utilizing maximum braking attempts reverse thrust but this is the type of thing that happens from time to time an aviation but it’s almost invariably pilot error and not the fault of the airplane and we’ve got to point out that at this point it certainly is just speculation on our part what would cause the pilot to not pay attention to it detail like that the weather is a big distraction you’ll recall it was lightning last night I live about five miles from the base there was thunder heard lightning flashing these are big distractions his flight path shows he made a number of major deviations during his final approach presumably to avoid weather so there’s a destroy action factor there may be a fatigue factor it’s prudent to carry a little bit of extra speed during gusty weather conditions to avoid a phenomenon known as wind shear but it appears to me from the flight track data we have that he may have been going too fast on the approach and just simply didn’t have time to stop you talk about fatigue possibly being a factor we you know outlined the route that this plane flew possible that the same pilot was on this rotation between bases doubtful probably for the leg from Jacksonville to Guantanamo and back to Jackson was probably the same flight crew but there was certainly a crew change between the flight that left Norfolk at 5 o’clock that morning the outcome had it not landed in the shallow water it did and the speculation is that the landing gear is sitting in the mud and muck of the st. Johns River the outcome would have been much different there would have been a number of drownings I suspect it’s difficult to evacuate an airplane even though it’s technically feasible people don’t always behave as they probably should they try to grab gather their belongings for the exit the airplane and it could have been a real tragedy the runway which was extensively redone four years ago does have an overrun area that’s designed to minimize the impact of situations like this so it’s a good outcome demonstrate some of the safety features built into the runway systems so there’s a lot to be grateful for this morning well he went past the overrun into the grass and then into the water he did but these newer runways are designed with features that break away aren’t solid poles that tear the airplane apart so this is all taken to account in modern runway design do you know anything about the safety record of Miami International come on it’s a trip basically a charter group I have an excellent safety record I have been following them for about 30 years now their beginnings were with the fleet of the bankrupt Eastern Airlines this was a brand-new airplane that they purchased in 2001 and have operated safely for 18 years I don’t think you’re going to find any problems with this Charter air company they carry sports teams is one of their specialty markets and they have an excellent reputation in the industry and and you know as you go through our Facebook page a lot of people I thought this plane was grounded that’s the 737 max eight this is a 737-800 it’s a much different aircraft though this one too is manufactured by Boeing but if it’s pilot error boeing is not to be gonna be held accountable this is the most proven airplane in the history of aviation it’s known as the 737 neo was introduced about 1999 a good 20 years ago and it’s proven itself in the industry the one that is grounded now is an entirely different design from a pitch stability standpoint and that would certainly and any of that have nothing to do with a runway overrun now the other big question that people are asking is how long is this kind of plane this plane going to sit in the water they really can’t move until the NTSB gets here that’s correct although to mitigate the fuel spill they would certainly be not would be forgiven for doing that I think the NTSB is going to primarily be concerned with the data recording devices the black boxes those will be easy to access I suspect by the end of today it will be pulled back onto the overrun area and the investigation can proceed from there you know oftentimes we hear it can be years before we get even preliminary findings in a crash you pretty much think that we’ll find out what they think the root cause is fairly quickly there’ll be a factual report issued within about 30 days that will provide some solid clues but a final probable cause determination that only the NTSB can give us will be about two years off and if it was indeed pilot error recriminations for the pilot depends depends the unions are strong and going to bet for the pilots sometimes these are errors that are just things that happen in the system and so I would suspect these pilots will be able to finish out their careers at some point at booth thank you very much for your perspective

1 Reply to “What caused the military plane to skid into the St. Johns River?”

  1. The Media is missing an important factor and that is, a Delta Airlines charter that ran off the end of the runway back in the summer of 13 July 2013 to be exact, making the same run to Cuba. Delta had a reclamation team there on the base within hours. A fresh aircrew showed up the next morning around 9am and flew that bad boy out of dodge. I witnessed the charter coming in fast under a thunder storm. I later found out withing 30 minutes that the aircraft ran off the end of the runway. This is the second incident within the last 6 years with a commercial charter at that base. Most important thing is everyone walked away from the mishap alive and well. Thanks be to God!

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