Reformation: Saint and Sinner, October 15, 2017

Reformation: Saint and Sinner, October 15, 2017


we’re having an opportunity to consider video vignettes from the Luthor movie in our series of celebrating the 500 anniversary of the Reformation so with a historic introduction that pastor bondo offered and then the different topics that come along as they each stand alone today we’re talking about this cool Bible truth that we are both sinner and Saint at the same time and our format is that you have a printed sheet front and back but then there’s an extras page more than we normally do for Sunday Bible class where we take a look at some Luther quotes and things like that that should be in blue you should all have both pieces of paper and so today we have the advance the slide – today there we go forgiven but not perfect sinner and Saint let’s open with the word of Prayer gracious Savior the status that we have before you is rather remarkable because we know the reality and pastor preached about that too in his sermon without any spoiler for those who are coming in the last service it is true that we are all part of the earth and under a burial of sin a pile of it at that but yet you declare us to be Saints and we get to live in your kingdom now and forever as yours bless us as we get a better grasp of the practical meaning of our sinners saints status before you and the world amen so the introduction paragraph is familiar to you and if you are ready we’re going to watch the little video snippet and once again this comes up every week what seen caught your attention if you can catch that and what comment was made that you think would be beneficial to remember ready so this should play well that’s the questions here we go [Music] with no volume [Music] in the Middle Ages the future for those condemned as heretics was bleak in the 1400s yon who’s had criticized the church much as Luther had and was burned at the stake and now followers of Luther like John ash and Henry Voss faced the ultimatum recant or die both were burned alive because they would not deny their Lutheran faith ash and boss never did recount they refused to recant and then they were led back to Brussels where they were burned at the stake because they did not protect a similar fate was always looming for Martin Luther but it did not slow his work his faith drove him forward a faith defined as simple trust in the promise of God in Scripture the promise that God forgives sinners fully and completely because of Christ’s grace alone faith alone scripture alone cling to the scriptures because there I have certainty not in my feelings Luther and the other Vidhan burg Reformers understood that trusting God’s assurance of forgiveness was not a license to do evil or abandoned good works believers do good works not to earn God’s favor but because they are grateful that God freely forgives and promises eternal life yet even forgiving people don’t stop sinning believers who trust God’s forgiveness still have their faults and failures we have to recognize your sin in order to really appreciate what God has done for your soul Luther is not suggesting that we ignore sin it’s it’s nesaf necessary that we recognize our sinfulness in order to fully appreciate what God has done for us thus sin daily disturbs us hindering our way and even tormenting us so that unless it is hellaciously cleared away we will thrust ourselves against it and will stumble indeed it is an evil gas and yet it Wells within us in our flesh Christian’s in every era struggle against sin repent of it daily and then resolve to live as God demands true faith trusts Christ and rejoices in his righteousness that is credited to the sinner so it is a radical and fundamental shift in thinking that God declares us right because of Jesus and that he accepts us then as his children because of that righteousness Luther trusted the gifts God gives sinners by grace through faith a gift that is more important than even life itself for where there is such faith and confidence there is also the bold defiant fearless heart that risks all and stands by the truth no matter what the cost was such a heart is satisfied and serenely sure that it has a gracious kindly disposed God we’ll save that for the end anything stand out don’t have to jump up and holler just any quote or anything it’s hard when the first viewing just as it goes by quickly if anything jumped the bay this can jog your memory of what you just saw there so Hester John Brown in the video he’s at our Senate’s publishing house as you know and interviewed there I don’t know about you but I always got a kick out of it when I’ve seen these snippets and of course we saw the movie that a lot of the filming they did for our Welles interview people was right next door when we saw this in the beginning of September a lot of us got together and went up the oriole theater it’s I purposely didn’t see it in advance because at the CL C convention in June in Germany they showed it and they showed it at Synod convention but no I’m gonna wait until watch it with the grace people so it was kind of neat to see I knew they had filmed it here a couple years ago but to see it on the screen was fun seals interview so pastor Brown said it’s a radical and fundamental shift in thinking that God declares us right because of Jesus and then he accepts us then as his children because of that righteousness explained why the shift he says is radical and fundamental why does he make that kind of a statement Samantha it’s radical because it defies our own human thinking I’m kind of repeating okay it’s human nature we always think we have to do something to make up for what we done it’s pretty radical that that doesn’t work and God declares us right other comments about why it’s so radical and fundamental it’s good Lance yeah what made it so radical is not only the reality that Samantha talked about of who we know we aren’t in the scriptures identification of our natural sinfulness but that was the official teaching of the Roman Church what is our natural inclination our sinful inclination to think that we are responsible well that was so radical for Luther to announce this completely different than they had been hearing and it reminds me of 1500 years earlier when the Lord Jesus looked at Pharisees who thought they could get to heaven by what they would do and Jesus said no you could try you’re not gonna make it in fact they’re gonna fall short and deserve God’s anger but I’m here to be yours that’s just totally radical and fundamental of course for our relationship with God how about studying the Scriptures Martin Luther knew that sinners need sins removed from their records and from God’s sight Luther said in the video sin daily disturbs us hindering our way and even tormenting us so that unless it is courageously cleared away we will thrust ourselves against it and we’ll stumble indeed it is an evil guest and yet it dwells within us in our flesh focus on these words used by Luther about sin disturbs hindering tormenting should say the and evil and an evil guest so take a minute on your own and write down how his choice of words affects your view of sin and compare answers with the person next to you I’ll give you a few minutes to do that go ahead all righty I don’t want to cut off such healthy conversation but maybe you have a thought or two that you shared with the person next to you or others at your table Luther talks about sin as something that disturbs hindering tormenting an evil guest so how does his choice of words affect your view of sin we’ll take some examples we’ll go over to this table here from the king of Oreos and anybody comments doesn’t have to be from Dan he had his choice to talk already a chance for anybody here how do those words affect your own personal view of your sin can I pick on anybody here this table Beth there’s a hopeless powerless feeling is that like a nagging thing that’ll never go away pardon me when I keep repeating somebody can hear yep yep how about on the table back here how the Luther’s words affect your own view of your sin it’s it’s it bothers you right and makes you feel guilty right when you hear these intense words and then Lance since nobody they don’t bother because you know Jesus redeemed you right yeah and there’s the sinner Saint status you’re standing on the saint side of things right there many times Lutheran life was over on the sinner we’re both at the same time and he was sensing from the scriptures that when you’re on that sinner side it’s pretty intense and he was a man whose conscience was deeply troubled by his sin and for many years in his life he did not know the redeeming work of Jesus Christ almost killed himself when you think about that for the bothering of his sin huh but in the back corner what do Luther’s words how does that affect your view of sin anybody over here Angela not just the devil but sin sounds alive and menacing yeah yep anybody else how about the next anybody else over here Jared you were looking at the thoughts they make sin almost like a human with its own characteristics I’m trying to repeat exactly what you’re saying nothing I close but yeah and as its own power and will and write anything from this table then you can think of when it’s stole you’re good easier yeah any other thoughts very good uh what yeah Jim go ahead when you hear Luther and the time period ease living yep yeah you could you can understand why people I got to do something because they feel the torment you know a lot of times in our world and in our life let’s be honest I think the point of this little exercise in making you think about your own set with these words is I don’t know about you okay I can’t I can only speak for myself but a lot of times you take it lightly you know you think well and I’m not pooh-poohing the fact that we have the saint status and I’m redeemed but in a way then too often our sin doesn’t bother us you know well so you know it’s not that big a deal I said once and well I guess but not that bad you know and that that is actually a dangerous way to go because if we get too caught up in being casual about our sin it’s not alive like a human thing and it’s not like you know Satan is live and scared but sin know what with the Angela and Jared we’re saying it’s really a lot and it’s in me and it’s in my life it’s not just around me it’s my personal problem I got a deal with yikes and then that gets us more to appreciate what Jesus did the lower our intense appreciation that’s a bad word our intense fear about our sinfulness the lower our appreciation for the Savior the more you know how bad your sin is and it really bothers you the more he appreciate the goodness of Jesus really was what and that’s why Martin Luther would find as he reading scriptures slowly but surely the real truth of what Jesus did meant so much to him because he’d been on the other side for so long and so intensely that’s what this sinners st. status was so important for us to think through we got more exercises and funds so now we’re gonna do this I met number four this side of heaven we are both sinner and Saint at the same time discuss with those sitting nearest you with Buddhists by tables how each of the following scripture passages has a connection to our sinner our Saints enter status and we’re going to do is we’re gonna go by table just work with one passage at your table this is a b c d a in the back b for back right b c d and another a table so you get to read aloud for david and so just discuss at each your passage and then we’ll see how we can put it all together you’ll take several minutes go ahead sorry to interrupt and while you’re doing this what you’re thinking of what does this passage have to do with the topic that we’re both Center in st. at the same time what does it have to do with that topic go ahead have you had enough minutes to get some thoughts together at your table would you like a little more time a little more time yet or not are you good if you need any more time talking about [Music] well let’s try it and see how it goes what does the passage what does the passage have to do with this topic that we are both sinner in st. at the same time we have three groups that we’re looking at letter A the Galatians passage there’s a group here that’s yours right and then up here in the corner let’s everybody together let’s read this passage from Galatians 2 ready here we go we know that a person is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ so we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law because by the works of the law no one will be justified what does that got to do with our topic that we are both sinner in Saint at the same time since I started on that side of the room I get to go over here the table a what are some comments and thoughts you have anybody over here what does that passage have to do with our sinners Saint status we we can’t do anything about it how does that happen that we get Saint status what does the passage say justified that’s exactly it that’s a courtroom term and when you go to court and the judge looks at you right he can say you’ve committed this crime that crime whatever I will declare you to be guilty it’s also a courtroom situation if the judge looks at you and says I declare you to be innocent that’s exactly what the passage is talking about this passage talks about how we’ve got our saint status we are justified by faith in Christ not by the works of the law this is another table a would you like to add or what else did you find in that passage anything else was that it pretty much covers it sorry I did crystal had her finger right on it right there anything else you want to add that’s what you can anything else you found in there the contrary is in there we get to our state status by God’s declaring us to be innocent that’s the justified word the contrary is in there you don’t get declared innocent by what you do I don’t know a table a did you have anything to add over here yeah it went through it three times but reversing yeah that’s an interesting comment Nancy says we are doing something by having faith and that is that is betraying my dear Nancy a language that some people and Lawton on some a lot of people use and you know what that that is it’s it’s the it’s the little tiny little trap of thinking that faith are believing is an effort that we are working you see and so here’s how we clear that up you get your status as a saint as a gift and you also get the faith to believe it as a gift the whole package is a gift now here’s where it gets interesting but the faith that we are given then produces stuff that’s where the faith goes to work so I’ll tell you a story about that from the Apostle Paul so the Apostle Paul is in flip by this is northern Greece right and he’s preaching about Jesus and he gets in hot water and they put him in prison okay and so what does he do when he’s in these terrible circumstances under persecution and when he’s pressured and he’s at night and he’s in stocks his feet and arms are locked up and everybody else with him what does he do well he does with pastor bond oh did right he sings right he’s singing oh jesus says say hey no isn’t he singing over in the jail right and then a big earthquake thing and the walls fall down in the stocks break loose and a jailer whose job is on a line that if anybody escapes this is Roman law then you’re dead so he’s going to kill himself right and so the dust is settling and all that you know that’s ignite and don’t kill yourself don’t we’re still here we’re still here and the jailer falls on his knees in front of the Apostle Paul and here comes the question what must I do and the Apostle Paul looks at him and says nothing and then the next line out of his mouth believe in the Lord Jesus because believing in Jesus means you are doing nothing faith is not doing anything it’s a gift that God gives you to catch what Jesus did but then one faith is there it’ll be working it’ll produce all kinds of fruits but that does that help that’s yeah yeah and your your ability to believe is a gift and it’s active that’s true but it’s not what earns you the love of God it’s but faith does not earn you the gifts of God the gifts of God create the faith that’s there you see so Martin Luther would say it this way my Luther would make it very clear he would say this I believe in the Holy Spirit right third article then what does this mean I believe that I cannot by my own thinking or choosing believe in Jesus Christ my lord or come to him but the Holy Spirit has called me by the gospel and he’s the one who’s created faith in my heart you see so he doesn’t say I believe that I came to faith because I’m such a great believer and I cranked up faith in my heart on my own no I believe that the faith and the believing I have is a great work and got a look in my heart and say Lauren you are such a great believer I hate you because you’re a sinner but because you created faith and you made faith in your heart and I think it’s a better faith in than your mother’s I’m gonna love you now that God doesn’t say that does he no and to the jailer he didn’t say okay you have to sit under the apple tree outside and cross your legs you know hold your breath and close your eyes shut and somehow come up with faith in your heart and if you have enough faith and it’s good enough then I’m gonna like you know Paul says to the jailer do nothing Jesus did it all trust it’s true that’s how that works faith isn’t is just a gift that God gives us to catch blessing that’s awesome so so thank you for saying that Nancy that helped it helped everybody let’s do letter B let’s do letter B and this table is this is a B table and in the back is a B table okay we got the B’s and let’s read this passage together from Romans seven ready here we go I find this principle at work although I want to do good evil is right there with me for in my inner being I delight in God’s law but I see another force at work in me waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me what a wretched man I am who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death thanks be to God who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord what does this passage have to do with our status as both sinners st. the same time and again I’m going to start on this side because I was at that table back before what does this passage have to do with it are you gonna go chance the clearest warning scriptures one of the clearest ones in Scripture okay what is it about what that it identifies that we are both that we are both anything else on this table what does this passage you have to do yes it identifies us that we are both Bob nature and then all of it has to do with our sinful nature the simple statement at the end is what Jesus did okay what’s he identifying here when he says what a wretched man I am yes the passage says we are both sinner and Saint at the same time what’s he saying in this passage about that status you have it I have it that’s what we are we can say okay god I’m a sinner but you declare maybe to Saint okay good I have both I’m a sinner say at the same time doo dee doo dee doo no he says what all right what does he say that why does he say what a wretched man I am why does he say that rucifee even my right really is still cup tainted with sin but what’s the problem here that we have this dual status that he’s identifying right to get there there’s nothing we can do to be right God declares us to be that do you know what I’m getting for here why does he say what a wretched man I am why is he frustrated we’re born as sinners we need God to declare us to be his own so we have the Saints status there it is say that louder we are at war this is the passage it says like John clearly announced table B are you okay with all this and okay so we have this okay there we are sinner in st. and we’re all ready to say Martin Luther was right why because the Bible was right we have both both we are both sinner and saying the problem is right here they’re in war there’s tension between the two that’s the problem because in this chapter we didn’t read the whole chapter but you know what’s in this chapter right and Paul says he doesn’t just pop in here at verse would it be verse 21 25 and say guess what we have a status of being both sinner and Saint at the same time so what no he’s been going on earlier saying the good I want to do I don’t do and the evil I don’t want to do I keep going on they are at war the sinner Saint status in there’s tension there’s struggle there’s war going on inside of us and none of you feel it I’m sure I’m the only one right none of you have had this battle of your sinful nature kicking up and doing and making you think things you don’t want to think and say things you don’t want to say and do things you don’t want to do and then you say oh I need to be forgiven him I guess I am okay thank you Jesus and then from then on you don’t have this battle anymore and you’re just fine ya know this that’s where Paul gets this what a wretched man I have I have to be in this battle I’m in this tension this sinner same thing is going on every stinkin day how am I gonna exist if I have to be battling every day how can I ever exist because too often guess what I’m gonna losing end I lose too often in this battle so that’s why that end is so cool Dave yeah right the conscience is that little voice that tells you your sinful nature is still alive you’ve screwed up it gives you a testimony that there’s standards out there you can’t match you need that now there’s a lot of Pima being as a conscience right but some people don’t listen to it right is that true that but even if they still have a conscience don’t listen they still have a sinner in them and how are you gonna deal with this ongoing battle well that’s how he ends the passage right what a wretched man I am who will rescue me from this body that’s subject to death how am I gonna get over the struggle how am I gonna deal with it thanks be to God join you know the angel yeah the cop the comedian who did the yeah yeah the angel on one in the devil on the other and the devil made me do it yeah it’s exactly like that but see how do you get over that battle the battle is thanks be to God he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ Nancy yeah well yeah you’re getting ahead of the story she said you get over the battle when you finally die right so yeah I think we have other groups who will address that so all right let’s do we have table C is here and table C is here and so let’s read together Galatians 5 everybody ready here we go walk by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh for the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit and the spirit what is contrary to the flesh they are in conflict with each other so that you are not to do whatever you want okay what does that passage have to do with this business of being Center in st. they were back at that same thing we had the tension the struggle from Romans chapter 7 and then how do you get out of it is that last verse but this brings up again here we are with the conflict they are in conflict and if you’re not sensing the conflict it’s time for you very likely to go and hear more about how horrible sin really is because if you don’t know how horrible your sin is and just have Jesus so happy happy Jesus is my loving shepherd and I’m not worried about any of my sinful myth then I don’t feel to struggle in the tension I need to be real and that’s what Martin Luther was good for he helped us see both the bad news and the good news of the Bible clearly why because a lot of people would just ignore the bad who wants to hear as bad news about sin right but the more that’s in tension the more we life is real death here you’re tell there are churches who are into the good news or community and you don’t hear much about sin you don’t never you’re not going to hear the word hell you’re not gonna hear about sinfulness not gonna hear and that’s the uniqueness of the this is why it’s fun to celebrate the 500 or the Reformation it reminds us again this special blessing we have as let’s say it Lutheran’s to hear the full message of Scripture and to be honest of where we would be without Jesus and to be honest about what sin really is in the threat of Hell instead of just ignoring that because it’s kind of like negative thinking let’s be let’s be positive and talk about the Lord who’s coming into your life and will bless you with happiness and you follow him in obedience and you’ll be rich beyond measure sir I’ve been working on that a little bit so that’s not the trauma thoughts and Luther was all about the truth how about this let’s get to D where is it D here’s a detail ABCD and D okay and let’s read together first John 5 ready here we go everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God and everyone who loves the Father loves his child as well this is how we know that we love the children of God by loving God and carrying out his commands in fact this is love for God to keep his commands and his commands are not burdensome what does that passage have to do with our sinner Saint status I had talked to that table I’m going over here anybody over here go ahead Erica we know we can’t keep his commands in that wood but yeah but in the first sentence oh if you’re born of God then then we’re safe and then what happens when you’re born of God with the passage talks about that you’re we’re loved by the father that’s our status now what happens when you’re in that you’re a sinner Saint tension okay but when you look at the Saints side that God gave us we’re in the father’s real child relationship what happens then we can keep his command C then that’s the follow up that’s the that’s flowing from our trust in Jesus tatis as st. does produce does produce thankfulness and following his commands it really does work very good let’s turn the page over now we’re gonna do our extras page Luther I think we’re okay with time Luther knew where all the struggles of Christian indoors being a sinner saint saint sinner he wanted people to understand this about themselves divide out let’s go by tables again that’s been working alright we’ll go by tables for each section on the extras page you’ve got sections section ABCD this time e we got five et section on the extras page summarize the quotes you got like three quotes in one or two and a big one on the end summarize that in one sentence to make it as short as possible and concise as possible so get this so summarize the quotes in one sentence capture the main thought make your sentence as concise as possible and the person with the shortest last name will be the reporter the person with the shortest last name will be reporter something short like zel so who’s got the shortest last name David David okay alright so this is table this is a once again a b c d e back in the quarter a b c d we only have we only have one a table pressure pressure is on the e table only one okay go ahead [Music] we will be looking for a one-sentence summary of the quotes a one-sentence summary of the quotes well I didn’t want to cut it off right are you ready to be cut off already or not I’m gonna go back this is an egg group back here again so I get to pick on you do you have a one-cent by the way for the rest of everybody else we’ll save a little time maybe I’ll direct your attention to the bullet points that are on the bottom of section a the let the there’s three I’ll look at two and three real quickly pardon my reading rather quickly that the flesh seeks pleasure and repose the world seeks riches favor power and honor the wicked spirit seeks pride glory to think well of itself and despise other people and then seed is by the mercy and grace of God and not by their own nature that works are without guilt and are forgiven a one sentence summary table with the a over there do you have something good works glorify God and bless his kingdom by serving others yep good your table ain’t you have a similar something different what’s your summary statement go ahead good work scum that that was nice that was a good work scum by God because we’re timely sinful by nature they come by the grace of God is basically what your yeah the the sinful nature what these quotes are talking about we are the sinners Saint status connection our sinful nature is gonna crank out mad junk I mean this is an obvious no print but that’s what it says Luther writes the sinful nature is always going to produce evil but the saint status that we have always is going to produce thankfulness good works that bless others glorify God that was good we have table a B this is a B table right so I’ll just direct your attention everybody to the middle one there’s three bullet points faith therefore does not originate and works neither do works create faith but faith must spring up and flow from the blood and wounds and death of Christ what does what are these three quotes that you looked at from Luther’s works have to do with the sinners st. conversation Ginny sins struggles Christ conquers that’s a bit beautiful huh oh it was lazy kind of a poetry there yeah this is B is this a beat table too what are you gonna go ahead an Christ Foster’s the fervor to fight there’s a man of illiterate oh nothing I would ever think of using alliteration but that’s a that’s that’s like awesome that’s why we have parts in here but you can see maybe you didn’t get a chance the rest of everybody the tables that we’re working on be you can see what’s happening here though is in order to get there that that the Saint in us is going to you know foster the good works it really the difference between the two is faith Luther had a big deal going on about what faith really is what it does that it’s a gift from God he creates it in us but it is active and that’s why he often used the phrase we’re justified not just by grace but he says by grace through faith it becomes yours personally through it’s very personal – Luther faith makes all this personal and that’s what he’s talking about also in these quotes the distinction how do you get from one to the other from sinner – say faith is the connection with what Jesus did beautiful now we have tables see here and maybe see over here I’m gonna go back over here by the window so if everybody would look at the last two bullet points real quickly and see what these have two Synod trust in God are simultaneously present in US and in all artworks as long as we are on earth and the next one it is evident that the flesh instead of dominating is a rebel and Aksum to the ruling spirit the root what’s the ruling spirit then in us the ruling spirit would be the ruling spirit is our it’s our no the other way around designers see it as evidence the flesh instead of dominating is a rebel and it’s rook ‘some to the real ruling spirit in us is faith created our sinner our saint status right that’s the real so what’s what does this have to do with our conversation over here Jerome it’s not a fifty fifty five so tell me more we’ll go a little bit you can explain yeah yeah it sit yeah so we tend to think about the sinners same thing as being a 50/50 balance but really what Luther is saying if you look in the big picture the the sinful part is just kind of an irksome rebel but the real power is it’s not 50/50 we’ve we’ve won the war Jesus won the war gives us the victory and so I think that’s where you’re going and that’s that’s awesome thank you did is this the C table over here too yeah did you have anything to add yeah it’s simultaneous it goes on at the same time this yeah but the battle is won we don’t want to come away from this Bible class with the impression that we have Thank You Jerome for bringing this up this 50/50 thing and it’s all terrible and we can’t do anything about no we’re actually coming out on the winning side thanks be to Jesus see that was the Roman’s passage that we had in the previous page we come out as winners and and you’re not powerless in this struggle in this tension and how about the section D I’m looking at the last second bullet point where’s my D ABCD here and over here right neat look the second book neither does sin completely die nor grace completely rise until that sinful body that we carry about in this life is destroyed as the Apostle says what’s that have to do with this whole subject matter yeah they’re in conflict soon as big graces big and even bigger but they’re not we’re not gonna end it now Nancy I’m glad you had this in your because it’s perfect timing that you ended up as a D yeah it’s not over until we’re in heaven okay but don’t give you don’t be discouraged in this battle that goes on don’t give up because you’re on the you’re a winner and then finally the e table we have a quote I’m going to go in the middle of the paragraph does everybody find where I am if I cut in three lines from the end but but where there is such faith a God where such a faith God no longer sees any sins for then we stand before God not in your name but in Christ’s name he adorns you with grace and righteousness although in your own eyes and personally you’re a poor sinner full of weakness and unbelief what’s this paragraph have to do with our subject yeah through Adam whereas this is a quote that goes back to the original subject matter we started with we have this dual status but when you think about it yes through Adam we are inheriting our sin we are human beings we have the sinner status but when you think about that we have the status of saint through christ that is so powerful and so comforting and so awesome wow that just takes that takes the stage over everything alright I’m going to wrap this up here we got a couple minutes back to the white page number six the Roman Catholic Church forcefully oppose Luther’s of the Bible’s message that were declared not guilty the Council of Trent was the counter to the Luther Reformation it’s spant there were three sessions spanning several eight years or more 18 years it was an attempt to undo what had taken place with Luther and the Reformation and so here are evaluate these statements from the Council of Trent these are this is by the way official Roman Catholic Church doctrine to this day in print if anyone says that people are justified either alone by the reckoning of the righteousness of Christ or alone by the remission forgiveness of sins to the exclusion of the grace of that grace and love which is infused in their hearts by the holy spirit and adheres in them or that if anybody says that grace by which were justified is only the favor of God let him be damned I don’t know if you caught all that if anybody says that you’re declared innocent only by the favor of God let him be damned another one if anyone says that justifying faith is nothing but trust in the divine mercy that forgives sins for Christ’s sake or that were justified by this faith alone let him be damned how about this if anyone says that the righteousness which has been received is not preserved and even increased before God by good works but that the works themselves are only results and evidences of the righteousness that has been obtained and that the works are not a cause of its increase let him be damned agree or disagree my Catholic friends neighbors and relatives hold to these statements from the Council of Trent what do you think my Catholic friends neighbors and relatives hold of these statements Jim yeah many many many Catholic people that I’ve run into they don’t know they don’t and so I made the mistake I’ve told you this before in Bible classes when I was like you know 35 years ago I would I would have somebody in my Bible information class with a Roman Catholic Church backer and I’d say well here’s what you believe and I learned really quickly no I actually knew more about the Catholic theology and then they did right but guess what there’s a bunch of Lutheran’s who don’t know what the Lutheran Church teaches either so let’s not be so pejorative but the reality is I’ve also run into some people who actually know the official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church and hold to it this is the sad part so when things change on the outside and a new pope is elected is something else have oh the Roman Catholic Church they’re all changing into a social justice and they’re kind for the world or whether and they’re they’re coming closer to what the Lutheran Church teaches they even got together with the ELCA and they have representatives in a joint statement now we all believe the same that’s not true they have never condemned and taken back the Council of Trent statements ever bring it home agree or disagree you can’t live a holy life until you become a Christian what’s your response to that you can’t live a holy life until you become a Christian you can’t live a holy life period so this disagree next one God has forgiven all our sins because he knows we’re still sinners and can’t help but it’s okay to sin once in a while the answer to that is no that’s a disagree it’s not okay we kind of thumped something sinking it no it’s not no it’s not or to pick and choose I believe the Bible is true God’s the Savior all the Bible is true but that one passage about stealing that doesn’t apply to me but for everybody else maybe but not for me I can I could just shoplift if I want no no the whole Bible is true I believe Jesus is my safe everything except that one thing about getting drunk that doesn’t apply to me I can get drunk that’s okay right well no that doesn’t work that way how about this because of God’s forgiveness help empower our struggle against sin becomes less intense as we grow and mature and faith john just reverse the more you grow in faith the more you motoric the more scary or sindhikka believe me and it the older you get it’s worse how about this one when our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said repent he willed the entire life of believers to be one of repentance be careful John hold it hold it the agree or disagree with that statement Dan you’re gonna agree to that one and now you know why right he does what well John knows why did why why what is that statement that’s thesis number one of the 95 theses by the way by the way get a copy sometime downloaded you can do that read through the 95 theses doesn’t take you too long but that’s the Young Luther the immature and faith Luther and there are many statements of the 95 or you shake your head and go huh see he’s still assuming that the Pope has no idea what’s going on in the church he’s still assuming that the Pope is the one is going to announce forgiveness he doesn’t need these indulgences so why are they being sold doesn’t make any sense if the Pope knew was going on he would not allow the sale of indulgences Luther didn’t know that the Pope authorized it you read through the 95 theses you have the Young Luther not fully clear in his theology and that comes a couple years down the road but this is the first one and we get to finish with prayer let’s join together in prayer read the screen so you don’t have to worry about bowing your heads because be hard to bow your head and pray at the same time let’s do this prayer here we go I thank you my dear God that I have learned not to begin faith by my own efforts nor attempt to destroy my sin with my own repentance with you O God there is an eternal wrath which I cannot satisfy and before it I would despair therefore I thank you that another has seized and carried my sins and has made atonement for them by your divine help let me remain in the gospel amen have a great day

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