Perseverance of the Saints

Perseverance of the Saints

We come now to our last session in this
series on the nature of Reformed theology, and we’ve been looking at the acrostic
TULIP over the past few days, and we’ve made adjustments to the terms that are
incorporated in it. In our last session we looked at the concept of irresistible
grace, and I mentioned that I preferred the term effectual grace, and before I
leave that altogether I just want to add a little concluding unscientific postscript
to it by reading a brief entry from the “Westminster Confession of Faith, ” which
is a historic doctrinal standard of Reformed theology dating back to 17th
Century England where we have this reference to the doctrine of effectual
calling. It reads as follows: “All those whom God has predestined unto life, and
those only, He is pleased in His appointed and accepted time effectually to call by
His word and Spirit out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by
nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ enlightening their minds
spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God taking away their heart of
stone and giving unto them a heart of flesh, renewing their wills, and by His
almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing
them to Jesus Christ, yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by His
grace. ” Now, I make this reference once again to the efficacy of the grace of
regeneration not to continue holdover from our last session, but as a bridge, a
transition to the final point of the acrostic TULIP, which brings us to the P
in TULIP, and now I’m sure you’ll be delighted to know I’m not going to change
this letter. And the letter stands for the perseverance of the saints. However, even
though I’m not changing the letter, I’m going to make a change in the word. I also
think that that little catch phrase, perseverance of the saints, is dangerously
misleading, because again it suggests that the persevering is something that we do,
perhaps in and of ourselves. Now, I believe, of course, that saints do
persevere in faith and that those who have been effectually called by God and have
been reborn by the power of the Holy Spirit endure to the end, so that they do
persevere. But they persevere not simply because they are so diligent in their
making use of the mercies of God, but the only reason we can give why any of us
continues on in the faith even till the last day is not because we have persevered
so much as that is because we have been preserved. And so I prefer the term the
preservation–the preservation–of the saints, because this process by which we
are kept in a state of grace is something that is accomplished by God. Now we read
this statement from the Confession about God’s effectively calling us to faith that
regeneration we call the divine initiative, and it refers to the first
step in our transformation. Just as we enter into this world through the process
of biological birth, rebirth does not refer to the whole of the new Christian
life, but rebirth refers to the beginning of it, the very first step, the step that
is accomplished by God’s initiative when He quickens our souls from spiritual death
to spiritual life. And so we call this divine initiative the beginning point. And
it’s the beginning that is performed, again as I say, by God. Now what does Paul write to the
Philippians? He says that “He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it
to the end. ” Therein is the promise of God that what God starts in our souls He
intends to finish. And so the old axiom in Reformed theology about the perseverance
of the saints is this: If you have it, that is if you have genuine faith and are
in a state of saving grace, if you have it, you will never lose it. And if you
lose it, you never had it. Now we know that there are many, many people who make
professions of faith who then turn away and repudiate or recant their profession
of faith. As John writes in the New Testament there were those who left the
company of the disciples, and John says of them, “Those who went out from us were
never really with us. ” Now they were with them in terms of outward appearances
before they departed, before they left the cadre of Jesus disciples. They had made an
outward profession of faith, and Jesus makes it clear that that’s possible to do
even when you don’t possess what it is you’re professing. Remember Jesus says,
“This people honors Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. ” And He
even warns at the end of the Sermon on the Mount that at the last day of judgment
many will come to Him saying, Lord, Lord, didn’t we do this in your name? Didn’t we
do that in your name? And He will send them away saying, “Depart from Me, you
workers of iniquity. I never knew you;” not that I knew you for a season and then
you went sour and betrayed me. No, no, you never were part of my invisible body of
the invisible church. The same kind of comments are made by Christ with respect
to Judas, who is called “The son of perdition from the beginning. ” And in His
high priestly prayer Jesus prays that those whom the Father had given Him will
never be lost, and that no one will ever snatch them out of His hand. And He thanks
the Father that all that the Father gave to Him came to Him, and not one of them
had been lost. And we could enumerate for the next several minutes a host of similar
passages in the New Testament where that assurance is stated by the apostles that
the people who are dwelling in Christ have a future, a future inheritance that has
been established from the foundation of the world and that some day we will hear
the Father say, “Come my beloved. Inherit the kingdom which has been prepared for
you from the foundation of the world. ” But again the point I want to stress is
that this enduring in the faith is not something that rests upon our strength.
Even after we’re regenerated we still lapse into sin, and not only into sin but
into serious sin. And we say that it is possible for a Christian to be engaged in
a very serious fall. And we talk about backsliding; we talk about moral lapses
and so on. I can’t think of any sin, other than blasphemy against the Holy Spirit,
that a truly converted Christian is not capable of committing. We look for example
at the model of David in the Old Testament where David was surely a man after God’s
own heart. He was certainly a regenerate man. He had the Spirit of God in Him. He
had a profound passionate love for the things of God, and yet this man not only
committed adultery but he also was involved in a conspiracy to have his
lover’s husband killed in war, which was conspiracy really to murder. And that’s serious, serious business. And
we see the serious level of repentance to which David was brought as a result of the
words of the prophet Nathan to him. But the point is that David fell, and he fell
seriously as the apostle warns us against having a puffed up view of our own
spiritual strength by which he says, “Let him who thinketh he stands take heed lest
he fall. ” And we fall, and we fall away from grace, not that we fall out entirely,
but we do fall away into very serious activities, none more serious than that of
the apostle Peter who publicly with cursing, even after being forewarned,
rejected Jesus Christ, swearing that he never knew Him–a public betrayal of
Christ. He committed treason against His Lord. Do you remember that before that
occasion when he was being warned of this eventuality, you know, Peter said this
would never happen. He would never behave in such a manner. And do you remember the
warning of Jesus? “Simon, Simon, Satan would have you and sift you like wheat,
but I have prayed for you, so that when you turn strengthen the brothers. ” Now,
he fell, but he returned. He was restored. And so his fall was for a season. And
that’s why we say that true Christians can have radical and serious falls but never
total and final falls from grace. Even in the church when people profess faith and
become involved in very serious and egregious sin, sin so serious that they
are involved in church discipline. And even with the process of church discipline
that goes through several stages, the final stage of which is what?
Excommunication. And I think it is possible; I think we know that it is
possible for a person who is truly regenerate, a true Christian, to be so
caught up in sin that that person is called to the church, is involved in
discipline; they’re suspended from the sacraments; they still don’t repent all
the way to the end of the list, which is excommunication where they are shut off
from the fellowship of the body of Christ and are to be treated as unbelievers, to
be declared as unbelievers by the church. Even that act of excommunication is done
with the hope that the person is a true believer who is now engaged in a very
persistent state of sin and that this final discipline of being cut off from
fellowship in the body of Christ will be that which the Spirit of God uses to bring
them to repentance. And we see that example found in the New Testament in the
Corinthian situation with the incestuous man. You recall how the church was doing
nothing about disciplining this man who was living a scandalous life until the
apostle had to rebuke them and admonish them and command them to excommunicate
him. What happened when he was excommunicated? He repented. And he
applies for readmission to the church, and now the church won’t let him back. And so
Paul had to go back again and say now look, the whole purpose of that
excommunication was to provoke him to repentance. Now that he’s repented, let
him back, even as Christ welcomed Peter back into the fold after his treacherous
act of treason. So again, the sin of the Christian can be radical and serious, but
never total and final. So how do we judge people who have made a profession of
faith, in our presence perhaps, and then we’ve seen them later repudiate it. Well,
the first thing you do is you make a judgment of charity, because you don’t
know the real state of their souls. That’s the one disadvantage we have. I can’t read
anybody’s heart. You can’t read my heart, and I can’t read your heart. We’re called
to be discerning and wise and look at each other’s actions and evaluate and discern
accordingly. But even by the best of your actions I
don’t know what your soul is, and you can’t know what is in my soul. And so we
are called to be exceptionally forbearing with one another and to have that charity
that covers a multitude of sins among ourselves in the fellowship of the church.
But God does read the heart. And when God says that a certain person never was in a
true state of faith, we can rest assured that that person never was in a true state
of faith. Now but what about if we happen to encounter somebody who is in the midst
of a serious, protracted fall where they have repudiated the faith publicly? Can we
then know that they’re not Christians? No, because we don’t know tomorrow. We don’t
know if they’re still what David was before Nathan came to him. If anybody
would have been by that bonfire when Peter says I never knew the Man, they certainly
wouldn’t have made the judgment that Peter was a Christian, because they were
catching him while he was in the midst of this serious protracted fall. But we can
still hope with people who have left us that it’s temporary, and that they’ll be
back. And we just have to acknowledge that one of two things can be the case. One,
either their initial profession was not authentic and not genuine; it was an empty
profession of faith, and that they never were believers. Or that their faith
profession was genuine and they’ll be back. But we leave that to God at this
point. But what the New Testament teaches us is that it is the Holy Spirit, again,
who alone raises us from the dead. And He raises us unto eternal life. The whole
purpose of God’s election is to bring His people safely to heaven, so that what He
starts He promises to finish. And He not only just initiates the Christian life,
but the Holy Spirit as the sanctifier, the convictor, and the helper is there to help
in our preservation. Now two important terms are told with respect to the work of
the Spirit in the Christian’s life that are related to this idea of the
preservation. The one is that we’re sealed by the Holy Spirit, and the second is we
are given the earnest of the Spirit. Let’s take the second one first. The term
earnest of the Spirit is drawn from the commercial language of Biblical days, and
the only thing I can think of that’s a parallel in our own day would be what we
call earnest money when somebody is going to purchase a home that when you make the
initial contract you give a little bit of money as pin money or as a down payment,
which is a promise that you intend to get your loan and close the deal and pay the
rest of the balance due. And to show that you’re in earnest you give this down
payment. Now I know that there are people who have paid earnest money who fail to
follow through. Maybe they weren’t earnest in the first place, or maybe circumstances
came along that made it impossible for them to go the rest of the way. But
beloved, when God the Holy Spirit is given to you by the Father as an earnest, when
the Spirit Himself who is indwelling you is the Father’s earnest for your future,
do you really doubt that the Father is going to fail to bring the final payment?
We possess not a handful of dollars but the indwelling Holy Spirit of God Himself
as God’s promise to finish the job. And not only does He give us the earnest of
the Spirit, but He seals us in the Holy Ghost. When God writes our names in the
Lamb’s book of life, He doesn’t do it with an eraser handy, but He does it for
eternity, and that He seals us in the Beloved for all time. Now, finally, one of
the reasons why we have confidence in our future is not only because of the ministry
of the Holy Ghost that I’ve just mentioned quickly in passing but most importantly
because of the ongoing work of Jesus. Somehow we have a tendency or sometimes, I
think, we have the tendency to think that when Jesus came and lived His life of
perfect obedience and fulfilled all of the demands of the law that we have failed to
fulfill and then by His passive obedience paid the price for our sins with His
perfect atonement that He’s done everything that we ever need Him to do for
us, but we forget that when He ascended into heaven and was seated at the right
hand of God and enthroned as the King of kings and the Lord of lords, He was not
just going for His royal realm, but He also entered into heaven as our great High
Priest. And the chief function of our High Priest,
as he tells us, is to intercede for us daily for the Father. Jesus prays for me,
for my ultimate salvation. Not only did He pray for His disciples in John 17 that
they would never be snatched out of God’s hand, but He prays for us that we would be
preserved. Now again, look at Judas and Peter. Both betrayed Christ. One was a
believer; the other one wasn’t. Both of their actions were repugnant in the
extreme–total betrayal of Christ. Both were predicted by Christ. And when He told
Judas what he would do, he ended those comments by saying to Judas, “What you
have to do, do quickly. ” And He dismissed him. But when He made the same type of
prediction about the behavior of Peter, as we’ve already mentioned, “Satan would have
you and sift you like wheat, ” and so on, do you remember what He said? But Simon, I
have prayed for you so that when you turned, not if you turn, so that when you
turn, strengthen the brothers. My confidence in my preservation is not in my
ability to persevere, but my confidence rests in the power of Christ to sustain me
with His grace and by the power of His intercession for us that He is going to
bring us safely through.

29 Replies to “Perseverance of the Saints”

  1. Perserverance, preservation…A tulip by any other name is still a wilted doctrine (Calvinism). Love ya RC, you have taught me much, but this bulb (tulip doctrine) is not enlightening (pardon the pun) and goes against scripture.

  2. I have spent the last two days watching this twelve part series and have had to stop numerous times to shed tears of joy and fall deeper in love the Father , and the Son , and the Holy Spirit. God bless you R.C. Sproul.

  3. It is true that once a person is born again he/she can not be unborn again.  (John 10:28-29 and Romans 8:38ff)  In the natural realm can a person be unborn once they are born from their mother's womb?  Absolutely not.  The same is true in the spiritual realm.  There are many verses which seem to suggest that a person can lose their salvation but that is impossible.  However, not everybody who makes a profession of being saved is saved.  We must remember passages such as  Matthew 7:21-23   where Jesus says:  "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
    These verses are very sobering and should cause everybody who believes themselves to be saved to seriously examine their profession to see if it lines up with what the Bible teaches about how a Christian should live and if they are in fact following the truth as taught throughout the entire Bible.  To do the will of God is to believe on both the Father and the Son.  Believe is not just an intellectual exercise of thinking Jesus died for your sins but it is trusting in the atonement that Jesus accomplished on the cross and obeying every word that Jesus spoke.  If we sin we know we have an advocate with the Father who intercedes on our behalf.  "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."  1 John 2:1

    It is God's revealed will that we NOT sin.  Too many professing Christians show little or no evidence for being born again.  The new birth (also called regeneration) is a work of the Holy Spirit by grace through faith.  The true believers in Christ will bring forth fruit.  There's no such thing as a fruitless Christian.  Jesus said:  " I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
    The branches represent those who make a profession of following Jesus and in this sense they are in Christ but because some do not abide in Jesus they are cast forth as a withered branch and cast into the fire which is a picture of hell.  The fruit of the Spirit will be evident in a person who has been saved.  
    Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved we are told in Romans 10:13 but this calling is not a one time only calling but a continual calling because only a child of God will have an abiding love for Jesus and the Father.  He can not stray too far from the fold as one of the sheep but must be brought back by the loving hand of the savior.
    Now the scripture does continuously warn against the deceitfulness of sin, riches, an evil heart of unbelief etc.  These warnings are given because many do fall away from the faith they profess to have.  "Demas hath forsaken me having loved this present world."  Was Demas saved?  Good question.  Paul seems to suggest that he fell from grace because you can not have a love of this world and a love of the Father.  These contradict the work of the Spirit.  1 John 2:15-17   If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."  This is another very sobering verse which cause us to examine ourselves to see if we are in Christ.

    Paul said "E xamine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"  2 Cor. 13:5

       The doctrine of election and reprobation is seldom even taught in most local churches today because it is considered too controversial and most pastors instead of loving and teaching the truth as too busy gathering large numbers of followers who will put their money in the offering plate to help build a mega church if possible.  As one brother put it:  " A person whom God has chosen for salvation cannot be unsaved, unredeemed, unreconciled, unforgiven, lost, forsaken, abandoned, or thrown away. Good works and obedience cannot earn salvation, and neither can a lack thereof result in the loss of salvation. The biblical truth of once saved always saved puts the focus of salvation where it should be – on the holy

  4. How could David have been regenerate and have had the Spirit living within him when John 7:39 declares, "the Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified"?

  5. He completely took Philippians 1-6 out of context…common problem with a lot of calvanist…Paul is speaking here to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:…

    Now read the verse in context:
    5 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

    Paul here is addressing the entire church at Phillipi as a whole!!!! This verse has nothing to do with god's work inside every believer, but rather that they as group of believers together partook of the gospel he preached since the first day he preached it…Meaning they did not deviate from what Paul first taught them…Again this has nothing to do with personal on-going sanctification.

  6. hey! thanks for the response. I do like r.c. sproul I also disagree with so of the things he's saying here. I was just writing to reply to the explanation given of philippians 1-6. Think it's pretty clear what Paul is saying. Thought my post was pretty clear to. little confused by what you both posted could you please explain it a little clearer. thanks!

  7. "Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them." (Heb 7:25).

    If Christ prays for us, how can we fall from grace? Great lecture from Dr Sproul.

  8. Radical fall but never final fall? Good for Peter being restored. What if after a radical fall you end up dead before you could ask for forgiveness? Eternal security is a false doctrine. Mark 9:45 If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one foot than to be thrown into hell with two feet.

  9. RC Sproul is a heretic who teaches Faith plus Works perseverance of the Saints is a lie it's not the same thing as eternal security. Once your saved your always saved even if you go back into a life of sin and unbelief anything else is a false doctrine

  10. "Perseverance of the Saints" is the 5th lie of the Calvinistic "tulip". This false teaching again spawned from Augustine in his "City of God" heretical writings.

    Calvinism's false teaching of "PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS " comes from various chapters of Augustine's "City of God" book under "On Rebuke and Grace", Chapter 10 – "All Perseverance is God's Gift."

    Augustine falsely teaches that even "perseverance" is a gift from God in addition to "faith" itself being a gift of God bestowed upon the "chosen elect few".

    A) Augustine states in Chapter 10, "Who could be ordained to eternal life save by the GIFT OF PERSEVERANCE? And when we read, He that shall persevere unto the end shall be saved; Matthew 10:22….." "And no one need doubt, but that whosoever prays from the Lord that he may persevere in good, confesses thereby that such "PERSEVERANCE IS HIS GIFT."

    B) Chapter 11, "They Who Have Not Received the Gift of Perseverance, and Have Relapsed into Mortal Sin and Have Died Therein, Must Righteously Be Condemned." "If, then, these things be so, we still rebuke those, and reasonably rebuke them, who, although they were living well, HAVE NOT PERSEVERED THEREIN; because they have of their own will been changed from a good to an evil life, and on that account are worthy of rebuke; and if rebuke should be of no avail to them, AND THEY SHOULD PERSEVERE IN THEIR RUINED LIFE UNTIL DEATH, THEY ARE WORTHY OF DIVINE CONDEMNATION FOR EVER."

    My comment – In other words, Augustine is falsely teaching that if saved Christians fall into sin and persist and fail to "persevere" in the faith to the end of their lives, then they will be subjected to "divine condemnation forever", meaning that they lose their salvation and go to hell. This blatantly contradicts John 5:24, John 10:28-29, Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 1:13, 2 Timothy 2:13. The examples of King Solomon and Samson at the end of their lives refutes this false teaching. The Bible teaches that Christians who persist in sin and unfaithfulness will be chastised in this life as a wake up call – Proverbs 3:11-12, Proverbs 15:10, Hebrews 12:5-11. If they don't respond positively to the discipline, then God will terminate their PHYSICAL LIVES here on earth and take them home prematurely, BUT they are still eternally saved and His children – 1 Corinthians 11:29-30, 1 John 5:16-17, 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. They will also experience a forfeiture of eternal rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ – 2 Corinthians 5:10, BUT they are still saved – 1 Corinthians 3:15.

    C) Chapter 15 – "Perseverance is Given to the End." Augustine states, " And of how steadfast a perseverance even to the end THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE GIFT, let them follow on to say: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, Because for your sake we are killed all the day long, we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. But in all these things we are more than conquerors, through Him that has loved us. For I am certain, that neither death, nor life, nor angel, nor principality, nor things present, nor things to come, nor power, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    My comment – In other words, Augustine is falsely teaching that the promise of Romans 8:38-39 ONLY applies to those Christians who have the "gift of perseverance". This of course, makes eternal security conditional and contingent upon the continued performance of the Christian.

    D) Chapter 16 – "Whosoever Do Not Persevere are Not Distinguished from the Mass of Perdition by Predestination"

    Augustine states, "But they who are not to persevere, and who shall so fall away from Christian faith and conduct that the end of this life shall find them in that case, beyond all doubt are not to be reckoned in the number of these, even in that season wherein they are living well and piously. For they are not made to differ from that mass of perdition by the foreknowledge and predestination of God, and therefore are not called according to God's purpose, and THUS ARE NOT ELECTED; but are called among those of whom it was said, Many are called, not among those of whom it was said, But few are elected. And yet who can deny that they are elect, since they believe and are baptized, and live according to God? Manifestly, they are called elect by those who are ignorant of what they shall be, but not by Him who knew that they would not have the perseverance which leads the elect forward into the blessed life, and knows that they so stand, as that He has foreknown that they will fall."

    My comment – In other words, Augustine is saying that those Christians who don't persevere are no different from those who are "predestined" for hell. He is saying that those who don't persevere are not elected, therefore, are not saved. Again, this is false teaching. Whether or not we persevere has no affect on eternal salvation which is a free gift apart from works. Failure to persevere in this life will incur God's temporal chastisement and will cause a forfeiture of eternal rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ which is a future aspect – 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, but we are still saved.

    E) Chapter 19 – "God's Ways Past Finding Out" Augustine states, "As, then, they are constrained to confess that it is God's gift for a man to end this life of his before it can be changed from good to evil, but they do not know why it is given to some and not given to others, so let them confess with us that PERSEVERANCE IN GOOD IS GOD'S GIFT, according to the Scriptures, from which I have already set down many testimonies; and let them condescend with us to be ignorant, without a murmur against God, why it is given to some and not given to others."


    My comment – Augustine, again falsely teaches that perseverance is a "gift" from God given to some and not to others. Perseverance is a human exercise. Whether or not a Christian perseveres is up to them. There are many Christians who stop persevering in the faith because of anger, discouragement, disillusionment, disappointment in the faith, illness, etc, BUT that does not affect their positional standing in God, but only their fellowship with God. Luke 8:13-14 clearly indicates saved Christians who do not persevere in the faith, but are clearly saved because eternal life germinated. Because of certain hindrances in their lives, they are in a state of spiritual atrophy/stagnancy, BUT they are still saved nonetheless.


    F) Chapter 20 – "Some are Children of God According to Grace Temporarily Received, Some According to God's Eternal Foreknowledge"

    Augustine states, "Nor let it disturb us that to some of His children God DOES NOT GIVE THIS PERSEVERANCE." "And, again, there are some who are called by us children of God on account of grace received even in temporal things, yet are not so called by God; of whom the same John says, They went out from us, but they were not of us, because if they had been of us they would, no doubt, have continued with us.1 John 2:19 He does not say, They went out from us, but because they did not abide with us they are no longer now of us; but he says, They went out from us, but they were not of us,— that is to say, even when they appeared among us, they were not of us. And as if it were said to him, Whence do you prove this? He says, Because if they had been of us, they would assuredly have continued with us.


    My comment Augustine is clearly taking 1 John 2:19 out of context by deliberately leaving out 1 John 2:18. Verse 18 is talking about anti-Christs that have left the church. Saved Christians who leave the church out of anger, discouragement, disillusionment, apostasy, etc, are NOT considered "anti-Christs."

  11. "Perseverance of the Saints" is the 5th lie of the Calvinistic "tulip". This false teaching again spawned from Augustine in his "City of God" heretical writings. (Continued)

    G) Chapter 22- "True Children of God are True Disciples of Christ."

    Because, therefore, they possessed not perseverance, as not being truly disciples of Christ, so they were not truly children of God even when they appeared to be so, and were so called. We, then, call men elected, and Christ's disciples, and God's children, because they are to be so called whom, being regenerated, we see to live piously; but they are then truly what they are called IF THEY SHALL ABIDE in that on account of which they are so called. But if they have not perseverance,— that is, IF THEY CONTINUE NOT in that which they have begun to be—they are not truly called what they are called and are not; for they are not this in the sight of Him to whom it is known what they are going to be—that is to say, from good men, bad men.


    My comment – Again, Augustine is falsely teaching that those Christians who don't persevere are not saved because they don't have the "gift of perseverance". Perseverance is a human exercise because man has free will. For Augustine to falsely teach that perseverance is a "gift" from God nullifies man's free will. If perseverance is a requirement for salvation, then that turns salvation into a reward that is earned. The Bible teaches that salvation is a FREE GIFT, NOT OF WORKS – Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 6:23, Revelation 22:17.


    H) Chapter 23 – "Those Who Are Called According to the Purpose Alone are Predestinated."

    Augustine states, "From Him, therefore, is given also perseverance in good even to the end; for it is not given save to those who shall not perish, SINCE THEY WHO DO NOT PERSEVERE SHALL PERISH."

  12. James chapter 2 is not written to Christians but to the 12 tribes of Israel concerning the tribulation period So those verses have no bearing on me and my salvation they applied to a different group of people and their salvation which is not the same thing as mine in the age of Grace were saved by faith alone without works of any kind in the past and in the future after the age of Grace is over it'll go back to being grace through faith plus works until then it's grace through faith alone Romans 4:5-6 Romans 11:6 Ephesians 2:8-9 2nd Timothy 1:9 Titus 3:5 makes this clear

  13. We are kept by the POWER of God. God Knows His ElECT He Elected. The ElECT has no knowledge of His or her status in Christ until the Father Draws them and reveal to them the Truth, You are a Chosen vessel unto me.

  14. Thank God for men like R.C, that have dedicated there life in digging into his word and explaining it to us in such a manner that a child can understand it. I’ve been truly blessed with this series.

  15. Perseverance

    Of the saint's or saved is because their confidence is in the power of God through Jesus Christ to keep them. Period . We don't rely on how much we pray, how much we fast or what we do to stay or remain saved. That's true freedom power joy . unfortunately the legalists of Jesus day also felt offended when confronted with the truth. Too many legalist today get offended & egos get hurt . when they here their do's and dont's mean nothing. People confuse fruits with working for something. You work because of the gratitude you have that Jesus saved you and keeps you. Beware of those who say when I came to Christ I accepted Christ I do this in Christ I I I.

  16. We should always disagree respectfully as Christians no name calling. Learn from each other share with those who'd listen in love. I was once Armenian in some doctrinal teachings till one-day I asked Jesus to help me I was confused & depressed feeling burden trying to keep something by works. Tell the lord liberated me with 1 scripture. After wondering for 3 year's if I was truly saved i say that 1 scripture set me free & I was truly saved that night by God's mercy. John 17:12 word Kept. He keeps us.

  17. Listen to him at the 5:50 mark and you will hear him add works to one's salvation. He says that "perseverance" is a bad choice in Calvinism's TULIP, and says "preservation" is a better term, then turns around and states that "anyone who departs from the faith never had it in the first place".

    Apparently he doesn't understand that when one first believes on Christ, they are saved APART FROM WORKS even if they fall away at a later time.

    Our salvation is about what CHRIST ACCOMPLISHED, and HIS FAITHFULNESS, not ours. If we can keep ourselves, we could have saved ourselves.

  18. For the life of me, I don’t understand why anyone would argue against this idea or Calvinism in general. Every point is such good news! Every thought makes one cry out in thanks to Almighty God for gifting us with faith leading to repentance but guarantees to keep us safe…..amen

  19. Atheism taught me relative morality. Logical Positivism taught me metaphysical terms such as "sin" DON'T REALLY EXIST. But my heart says EVIL(sin) is Real and DOES Exist.

  20. am i still being kept if i once trusted and believed but now struggling to trust and believe? after about 4 months of being saved and having a worshipful heart i first learned about election I denied God saying "there's no way this is you or I wouldnt believe this about you" but i had a wrong perspective of election and thought it was unfair or evil and i took my eyes of the cross by ignorance over time and immediately i entered spiritual dryness and i think i deceived myself to think that the holy spirit left me, i was concerned with my dryness at first but i was assured by other believers that its a normal thing and the fact that i was concerned was a good sign, but after that i started to become less worried and stagnate about it. but right now im trying to confess to God my failures in my walk with him and im trying to believe that my sins are forgiven by the cross as I once believed. i'm trying to have faith and trust but i keep looking back in my past. i know faith isnt a feeling but i feel like im not believing in the cross and struggle to trust that i belong to God, ive been praying but he is Quiet, ive seen him answer other prayers in my life but im still struggling to believe

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