LIVE – Return to Earth of David Saint-Jacques and his crewmates

LIVE – Return to Earth of David Saint-Jacques and his crewmates


Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Canadian Space Agency. My name is Sylvain Laporte, and I am the
Agency’s president, president. It is an honour for us to host you tonight. This evening is the end of a really fantastic
mission, the mission of our colleague, our colleague
David. I would also like to welcome all those on social
media, who are also watching tonight. So welcome to you too. You will see a very special activity tonight. We are all proud of David, proud of what he
accomplished during his mission, but we are also looking forward to having him
among us and being able shake his hand and ask him to tell us a little about his journey
to space. I still remember David’s departure on the third of
December last year in Baikonur. It was very, very, very cold so it’s kind
of appropriate to, to see his return to us on some of the hottest
days in, in the summer that we’ve had so far. So he’s coming back into some really, really hot
weather. So from really, really cold to really, really hot, it’s
kind of, it’s a statement of how long he’s been away from
us. I do also remember very vividly something I will
never forget for the rest of my life. I accompanied David from, from the bus that
dropped him off a few hundred feet from, 100 metres from the rocket and I was able to
accompany him all the way up to the ladder that led up to, led up to the Soyuz. So being able to talk to David during those few
seconds is a memorable event that I will never, ever
forget. So without further ado, I’d like to present to you
Bob Thirsk and Jeremy Hansen, who are going to be the emcees for tonight’s
event. So, have a good evening, everyone. I hope you
enjoy the event. Thanks Sylvain. We are very happy to be here with David Saint-
Jacques’ friends and colleagues. You know, I was here in December with
astronaut Jenni for the, the launch of David to the International Space
Station so it’s really nice to be back here again
for the landing. It’s one day today, as well as one great moment
for everyone, including David’s friends, family, colleagues and
Canada as a whole. Of course, since David’s launch on December 3,
more than six months ago; David’s expedition was a great success. And before we, we take part in watching these
final moments of David’s expedition, let’s recap some things that happened earlier
while you were all at home before you got here. So we’ll have a short video for you. Welcome onboard the Space Station. David Saint-Jacques, Canadian Space Agency
astronaut, has been aboard the International Space Station
for six months already. On March 1st, David had the chance to take
part in a world first: the test flight of the Crew Dragon spacecraft. David was the first astronaut to enter the
capsule, which was uninhabited… well, almost! Farewell, Dragon! Farewell, Ripley. On March 14, three new crewmates arrived on
the Station. The six astronauts will work together until late
June. On April 8, David Saint-Jacques conducted his
first spacewalk. Good morning, TC. Ready. He was accompanied by NASA astronaut Anne
McClain. For six and a half hours, they carried out a
number of tasks, including connecting cables to provide an
alternate power supply for Canadarm2. David became the fourth Canadian Space
Agency astronaut to perform a spacewalk. We take time to look around us. We take time
to try to let it all sink in. To be honest, I’m sure it will take weeks,
months, or maybe even years for the experience to really
sink in. On May 4, David controlled Canadarm2 to
capture SpaceX’s Dragon cargo ship. Welcome onboard Dragon! With a few weeks remaining before his
departure, David continues to support critical operations on
board the International Space Station and to enjoy this unique experience of living in
space. It is a very humbling privilege to be here. Very, very few people have had that chance to
see these views. That’s an incredible mission that David has
finished. Everything that he’s done, the robotics, the
spacewalk, the scientific work that he’s done, the public outreach work that he’s done, with the
support of his team here has been flawless. Two hundred and four days in space as of today. So if I was asked once today, I was asked 10
times: am I envious of David for breaking the record that
I held as the longest Canadian on a mission? (Laughter) I, I had 188-day mission 10 years
ago. No, the answer is no. I’m proud of the work that
you and David have done over the last 204 days. Every time a Canadian astronaut flies in space, we need to do something extra, we need to
break another frontier: the duration in space or the type of work that
we’ve done. So I’m very proud, I’m very pleased that David
has broken that record. Yeah, a few statistics to kind of put this
timeframe in context for you. Of course, David has been orbiting the planet once
every 90 minutes, and so during his stay on board, he actually
completed 3,264 revolutions around our planet and in fact, traveled just shy of 140 million
kilometres, so pretty extraordinary. There’s been many memorable moments, but I
want to, I want to frame a couple of really extraordinary
moments for you, and the first one being David having the
opportunity to use Canadarm-2 to capture a visiting vehicle. And what you need to understand is these,
these vehicles have no one in them and they fly up and they’re sort of flying in
formation with the space station and then the astronaut reaches out with the
Canadarm and just before we grab it, we have to shut off all the thrusters of that
vehicle, and then it’s kind of like a rodeo from there. You don’t know what you’re going to get and you
have to go and grab that vehicle no matter what it decides to do. Maybe it’ll start moving outside its capture box
and you have to go after it. And so it’s an operational moment, it’s a high
pressure moment for an astronaut and David performed, of course, extremely well
and accomplished that for us. And then, the next big moment, I know, you
know, talking to David both before he left and while he was up there, something he was
really hoping to have the challenge to do is to go outside on a spacewalk. And, and I remember watching this day here
from mission control, David going out on his first spacewalk and
seeing that Canada flag prominently displayed. This is the window to the airlock, so just before
they go outside, we shove both the astronauts in the airlock, close this hatch and then start venting, or we actually capture that atmosphere back
into the space station and then vent out the last little bit, but that’s
David and Anne in the airlock just before they open the hatch and go outside. And, and this is something that I just think as
an astronaut, is a true privilege to go outside and see your
planet, your home planet through nothing more than the
glass on your helmet visor. And David has captured that in words, but he
really thought that was an extraordinary opportunity for him. So we’re still a few minutes away from bringing
David back to – now, actually, I misspoke earlier – now we have a recap of the
things that happened earlier today, so let’s play that video right now. So earlier today, David would be stowing the
Soyuz vehicle with some of his personal belongings, some of
the payload, some of the bio specimens that they need to get
back to Earth quickly. He’ll probably have stowed some of the future
cargo vehicles that will return home with some of his personal belongings as well. And then they went inside their Soyuz vehicle. You notice someone’s cleaning off the seal there
right now as they get ready to close the hatch. They have to make sure that those seals are
spotlessly clean in order to get a, an airtight closure. Inside the Soyuz vehicle, they will bring their
Sokol suits. They won’t wear them as they go in but they
brought them inside with them. And once they’ve closed the hatch, they’ll help each other don their Sokol suits,
which are the pressure suits that would protect the astronauts during descent
if there happened to be a depressurization. It’s rather cramped space inside a Soyuz vehicle
so they rely on each other to help don the Soyuz suit and then do a
pressure check and then hook up to communication, hook up to ventilation and
hook up to oxygen as well. And at 4:10 this afternoon, they, they said
goodbye to their three crewmates who will remain on board the station. So that’s Nick, Christina and Alexey and they’ll
get ready for descent. So this is a video of on dock that happened
earlier tonight. So in just a moment here, we’re going to see the
Soyuz back away. This is what David would have seen from inside
the Soyuz, actually looking through a periscope at that
docking target there that they use to actually dock when they arrived. And then this is, of course, their vehicle
separating from the space station. There were latches on the Soyuz side that were
clawed over and hooked onto a berthing ring on the station. With the docking command, those latches move
aside and then the spring force in the docking
mechanism pushes them slightly away at a few centimetres per second. Once they get far enough away, 80 or 100
metres away from the station, they’ll fire the thrusters on their station to back
them further away and put them into a slightly higher orbit than the space
station. So at 9:55, a very critical thing happened which
is the deorbit burn. So they’re basically flying just, like they open
the distance maybe about 30 kilometres from space station and then at 9:50 time, and
that timing is precise, they fire their engines for about four minutes to
start slowing the spacecraft down, which takes them from flying a circular orbit
around the planet to actually changes it to an ellipse so that now they’re falling out of
space slowly so that they’ll actually run into the Earth’s atmosphere. And you have to get this right. If you come in too shallow, you’ll skip off the
atmosphere, and if you come in too steep, you’ll burn up. And so it’s a very critical burn that had to
happen and it went off like clockwork. And just to give you a perspective, they’re
travelling 28,000 kilometres an hour when they were with station. That burn only slows them down 500 kilometres
an hour, and that’s enough to get them heading home
back towards Earth. And then that leads to space separation. A few minutes after doing that deorbit burn,
they’ll fire pyros, pyrotechnic devices, bolts on the vehicle which will separate the
vehicle into three components. The descent module is the middle component
and it’s where David and the other two astronauts and cosmonauts
are located. The descent module has got thermal covering on
it, thermal protection to help it endure the re-entry
heat that it’s going to experience over the next few minutes. The other two sections, the propulsion section
and habitation module do not have that thermal protection. So if they’re looking out the window, they’ll
probably see them starting to tumble in the distance there and they’ll burn up in the
atmosphere while the descent module makes its safe trajectory through the, through the atmosphere on the way down. At entry interface, entry interface is a term that
we call when the spacecraft reaches the topmost aspects of the, of the
atmosphere. And I can remember that because I saw little
dust particles floating in the Soyuz module when we hit entry interface and all of a sudden,
for the first time in six months, dust particles started to trend downward ever so
slightly. And then over the next few minutes, the G force
begin to come on. You could see the G counter tick up .1, .2, .3,
.4, all the way up to 3.8, 3.9, 4 Gs and then I began to feel this crushing weight on
my chest as though it was, four people were sitting on my chest. And you actually have to think about getting
enough air into your lungs to expand your rib cage and (inhales) to get
enough air. And then to maintain blood pressure to my, to
my brain, I had to contract the muscles in my thighs and
contract the muscles in my pelvis and my abdomen to collapse (inaudible)
blood vessels and (inaudible) really needed it. And that’s the phase they’re in right now as
we’re talking. They’re in that fireball right now. We expect them to come out of that fireball in
less than a minute. And so right now, we have no communication
with the capsule. And then from now till about 20 to, or 10:33, we’ll be looking for the parachutes to open then. So Bob, maybe tell us a little bit about what that
feels like. So the entire descent is a wild and crazy ride, but the, the peak moment is when the parachute
opens up. It’ll open up in two minutes from now. First of all, a drogue chute comes out of the top
of the, of the descent module and you hear this whooshing of wind. And then, all of a sudden, it feels like the
spaceship is on a long, 1 00-metre long bungee cord just bouncing back
and forth underneath the parachute. I don’t know if that’s actually what was
happening or not. It could have just been my vestibular apparatus, which is out of practice after six months of life in
weightlessness, but it was really provocative. I felt a little bit motion sick and I really was
wondering whether or not this was normal. And I looked over to see my friend Frank De
Winne, who smiled – he had done this before – and he
had this big goofy grin on his face. (Laughter) And Roman was yipping and yodeling like a
cowboy (laughter) and they both gave me a thumbs-up sign that
this was all, all normal. So the drogue chute causes all this yo-yoing
underneath the parachute shroud. And then about a minute, half a minute later, the
drogue chute drags out the main chute, which is a huge 1,000-metre square parachute,
which slows our descent rate from, oh about 88 metres per second down to about
seven metres per second, so a more gentle descent through the, through
the atmosphere. But that yo-yoing starts all over again. It takes about 30 seconds for it to, to die out. But that was one of the ways that the vehicle
was saying welcome back to Earth, Bob. About one minute to main parachute deploy. So Bob, you were telling me earlier about how
the, they depressurize the capsule, what that’s like. Yeah, after the parachute will be deployed, we’ll
have to jettison the heat shield, which is on the bottom part of the, of the vehicle. The heat shield has got the, the crew safely through the, the hottest and thickest part of the atmosphere
but it needs to be jettisoned so that some antennas on the bottom side of
the capsule can be deployed, and also so that the landing jets can be
exposed and ready for use as well. The cabin pressure is a little bit too high. The internal cabin pressure where the crew
members are sitting. So, and it also has an oxygen content that’s a
little bit too rich. So after the main chute has come out and it’ll be
coming out in the next 10 seconds, we blow a valve which depressurizes the, the
capsule almost to vacuum. And when that happens, again, another loud
bang, our pressure suits inflate and then the inside of
the cabin, it’s all of a sudden filled with this instant mist. All of the water vapor inside the, the cabin
becomes condensed. And for about 30 minutes, 30 seconds, you’re just brushing the mist away so you can
see your control panel again. Again, it’s a wild ride and for a rookie like it was
for me, like it is for David today, it’s very unexpected and, and, but cool. Yeah, the chute should be open now. Listening for a report. So I’m just listening to NASA TV here. They’ve made contact with the crew now. So they’ve come through the plasma, they’ve got
good communication with search and rescue forces, saying they experienced 4.8 Gs on the re-entry,
which is nominal. So we expect them to be hitting the nominal
landing site. And you should know that there’s a delay in our
feed when I’m listening to this, so we’re a minute or two behind. So the times won’t add up exactly to what Bob
and I have been talking about. So for the most part, it’ll be the computer, the Soyuz computer that will guide the re-entry
trajectory for the Soyuz vehicle. But if there’s a problem, then the crew is ready
to take over. A good landing is considered if you can land
within a 10-kilometre (inaudible) — Alright, there it is. Yes. — and with no more than a, than a 4 G
acceleration. Yeah, I don’t know about you guys, but every
time I watch my friends come back to space, this is what I’m waiting for is to see that big
parachute. So – You can see a little bit of the venting of the
capsule there right now as well. Yeah. That’s normal. We see that every time. Beautiful day there. We’re getting a great view
of this. So now we’ve got what, just over a 10-minute
ride down to the surface of the planet. About 11 kilometres above the, above
Kazakhstan, which is where they’re going to land in about 10
minutes, like Jeremy says, to get down there. The other thing that has to happen is that the
landing is going to be quite an impact. So there’s some shock absorbers in the back of
each of the three seats and the shock absorber is compressed right
now. In order to be functional, it needs to be
extended. So in unison, the three seats are all going to
move forward and so that the shock absorber is ready to be
activated for the landing. Now, I always thought that the Soyuz capsule
was a small capsule. The control panel was right here and the two
other people are right here. After the, the seats are moved forward, the
control panel is right here. (Laughter) It’s ridiculously cramped. So what do you remember of this part? You’re talking to your crew, I assume, during this
part. Did you — You mentioned — — were you
celebrating or –? This is where we’re, we’re yelling and screaming. Like, we’re, we’re not going to have big goofy
grins on our faces until we’re actually on the ground, but main
parachute deploy, that’s a major milestone and 99% of the risk is,
is gone now. So this is going to be a good landing. We’re talking, we’re finally picking up mission
control again and picking up a search and rescue crew in our
earpieces after the, the radio blackout, and the search and rescue crew are calling out
to us our altitude, so they’re saying 900 metres, 800 metres, 700
metres. Oleg Kononenko, who is I think a three-time
space flight veterans — That sounds right. — will be reminding David and Anne to tighten up
their seat harness. They’re wearing a five-point seat harness, make
it nice and tight, getting ready for the landing, to move their head
back in the, in the helmet and then make sure that the tongue is away
from, from the teeth as well. When they impact the ground, it’ll be a bit of a
car crash and the seat liner, the shock absorber, the soft landing engines that will fire just before
landing will all soften the landing, but it’ll still be an abrupt hit with the ground.
Yeah. I’ve always thought those things were, were not
properly named, the soft landing thrusters. (Laughter) They’re really just explosives on the bottom of
the capsule that explode and they explode two metres above the ground
and they just start the deceleration. So they just start the crash happening early is
basically the way I look at it. (Laughter) No. Visors are closed until, till we land. There’ll be several helicopters in the, in the area
with the search and rescue crew but also with the officials from Russia, NASA,
Canada waiting to greet David. So who from Canada will be there? Raffi (ph) will likely be there? Yeah, I think Raffi and Ed is over there as well. Ed Tabarah. So we’ve, we’ve got representing
there for sure. That, if you guys paying attention, you’re hearing
a Morse code beep – there it is right there – this is a search and rescue signal. So had the capsule not landed where we were
hoping it was going to land, this is a signal that we can use to help find the
capsule sooner. And so during that whole plasma portion we
were talking about, we don’t really know what’s happening with the
capsule. We don’t know if it stayed in its primary entry
mode or if they had to revert to a backup mode. So by the time that plasma ride is over, they
may be way off-course and we won’t know it. And we’ll be waiting for this signal to start
figuring out where they really are. So in this case, it all happened like it was
supposed to so they’re going to land
where we thought. And that’s why we can see it in the camera. But in other scenarios, there are a couple of
backup modes. One backup mode where the crew flies it
manually. And when I say flight it, you got to kind of think
about like a wing, so the capsule, you think it would just fall like a rock, but it
actually, if, by turning it, you can change how it reacts with the air, kind
of like an aircraft wing. So you can pitch it up or you can pitch it down, and you can change whether you go long or you
go short. In the backup mode, the cosmonaut sitting in
the centre seat could try to mimic the intended flight path and try to hit manually
the original targeted area. And then the final backup mode is when is one
called ballistic where you just spin the capsule just
continuously and nullify any effects of flying. What happens is it digs in really steep, you
come in really fast and with a lot of G. So David experienced 4.8 G, but on a ballistic
landing, you’d be experiencing over 9 G. And what do you think that would feel like? Do you remain conscious through all that? You’d be at your limit. If it was sustained, you’d
be at your limit, I think, yeah. Yeah. Just because you can’t get the air into
your lungs? Yeah. Probably, yeah. One other thing to look for here, it may be a little
bit difficult to see in this video view, but as the capsule descends under the
parachute, it’s not coming down straight. It’s on a bit of a cant, a little bit like a 30 or 40-
degree angle down, and this is done deliberately. The vehicle has undergone extreme exterior
heating during the descent, up to 1,650 degrees Celsius outside
temperature. Hot enough to melt steel. And in the, so the cant, sideways cant helps to
dissipate some of the, the heat. And in the next few minutes, there’ll be
something called rehooking of the capsule so the capsule will straighten up and come
down with the, the bottom of the capsule parallel to the ground. And that’s so that the soft landing engines
rockets help to cushion the blow when it impacts the, the Earth. So that’s another event. And again, it, again it kicks off this yoyo bungee
cord adventure that I talked about a little bit earlier. So how do you folks feel? Were you a little nervous? A little bit? Who here was a little bit nervous? I was a little bit nervous. I for one am, am glad
to be at this stage of the landing. So this is great news. There’s actually, there’s, one of the backup
systems is very important and obviously we didn’t need tonight, but there is
a second parachute, the same size as this one. And so in the event that the first parachute
doesn’t fire or somehow is damaged, you can either cut it away or just fire the second
one. And, and so it’s a very robust system, the
Soyuz capsule. And have had really great success with, with
Soyuz landings. Speaking of parachutes, there’s one more thing
you can look for at landing. The capsule is being suspended by two main
risers, two main ropes that are coming down from the
parachute, and at the moment of impact, the Commander,
Oleg, will throw a switch that will cut one of those
risers and the effect, we hope, is that it will deflate the, the parachute
immediately. If it’s not deflated, the parachute can be blown to
one side by the wind and drag the capsule with it, drag it sideways
across, across the steppe, across the, the prairie of Kazakhstan. So you don’t want that to happen. So if Oleg can throw that toggle switch quick
enough, not, not too early, (laughter) perhaps the, the capsule can stay, stay upright. And that would be nice, but it’s not necessary. It’s just a nice to have. Starting to be able to see the capsule now. It looks like the rehooking has been completed. It looks like it’s coming down quite flush. It looks like we still have about four minutes to
go before landing. So do you, do crews typically feel the effects,
you know, some of the kind of motion sickness sort of effects at this stage or how does that — Yeah, so — — factor in for people? — during those parachute dynamics that we talked
about a minute ago, yes, it’s very provocative and you do have a
sense of stomach awareness, if not nausea. That will clear as soon as the dynamics damp
out. But I remember my first few hours back on Earth
again, when I stood up from the vehicle and I was
moving around on my own, I really felt out of sorts and very provocative. So the first 12 hours, I wasn’t too happy. And if you saw my image on video after my
landing, I, I did my best to smile for Canada, but it was (laughter) it was tough. We’ll see how David does today. But of course, that’s not here nor there. That’s not important. But the thing is is that it will clear. The brain is a marvellously adaptive organ and
David will feel, in spite of the potential nausea, a little bit of dizziness, he’ll feel very fulfilled, proud, proud of you and the support that you’ve
been able to give to him, and a very successful mission where he can
come home and say that he’s accomplished 100% of the Canadian and the ISS objectives. He’s feeling pretty good right now. I don’t think we mentioned it yet, we were talking
about it earlier, about fluid loading that we do. Yeah. So, you know, you lose about a half a
litre of blood volume during space flight. Totally adaptive to the weightless environment, but when you come back home under G forces, that depleted blood volume can diss-, can
redistribute back into your abdomen and to your legs again. You really need it up around your, your heart and
your brain. So all crew members will ingest about a litre of,
of a saline solution or a consommé solution to try to, to help rehydrate the cardiovascular
system. And that’s somewhat helpful. The other thing is that underneath the Sokol suit
that we discussed earlier, the crew will wear this elastic type of garment, something like a G suit that will help to
compress the veins in the lower leg and help to distribute the needed blood flow up
into what we call the central circulation. One of the search and rescue helicopter’s there,
a brief view. About a minute and a half to go. So there’s a combination, people got out to the
site via these helicopters or via land vehicles. So there’s a combination of both. The helicopters are crucial if we don’t land in the
expected location cause they can react immediately and take at
least the quick response people to wherever the capsule happens to land. But in this case, we’re going to have the full
support on the ground for David and his crew. So we’ll have both the helicopters and the
ground support vehicles. And then at the end of tonight when we, after we
wrap up, David will be on one of those helicopters and
heading to a nearby airport to be returned to Houston on a, on a jet, on a
NASA airplane that will fly both him and Anne. They make one fuel stop, but they’re going to fly
directly to Houston and they’ll be back in Houston in just about
exactly 24 hours from now. So like I said before, our feed is slightly delayed
but we expect them to be touching down, probably for us, I’d say in the next minute, one
to two minutes, we should see touchdown here. Don’t be alarmed if at the moment of, of landing,
you see a large flame that emanates from the bottom side of the
capsule. That is the six soft landing jets. They look scary but they’re just ignited for
maybe just a second or so, and probably burn some of the grass around
there, but it plays an important role in helping to
cushion the impact with the ground. Very, very important. And I didn’t notice it, did anyone see the heat
shield fall away so the bottom of the capsule is covered by the heat shield that protects it on
entry, but it, this gets jettisoned quite, they’re still
quite high in the sky, it gets jettisoned so that the soft firing engines
can, can work. Pretty monumental day for, for David and his
crew. Pretty special. Okay, landing coming up. There we go. Whoa,
landing. (Laughter) (Applause) Alright, so now we expect high fives in the
capsule. Yes. Assuming they’re not being dragged across the
steppe right now. (Laughter) Something else you see, we’ll see here shortly
but the capsule either lands upright. Even if it doesn’t get dragged, sometimes it gets
tipped over on its side. And so it’s kind of, you don’t know what you’re
going to get, so worst case scenario, I think, I imagine is to
be hanging in the straps facing down. (Laughter) So, you know, if Bob and I would be in there
together, we’d be shoulder to shoulder and one of us would be on our side, one of us
hanging down and maybe one a little bit upright. How did you guys land, Bob? We landed
upright. So the good thing is that we didn’t get dragged, but the bad thing is that the hatch, to get out of
the vehicle, is up head, overhead, like, you know, a metre and a half away. I looked up at that and I thought there’s no way
I’m going to have the strength to get up there. (Laughter) But on the other hand, the situation that Jeremy
describes, you now, it’s kind of a precarious situation cause if you
release your seat harness, you’re just going to fall, you know, so you don’t
want to do that either. So in some cases, it’s, it’s totally fine just to
wait for the search and rescue crew, who will get to the capsule in 15 minutes or so,
to help you egress. The crew will be busy right now. They will, if they landed upright, they’ll be releasing their seat harness, opening their, their helmet, deploying some
antenna, depending on whether they landed upright or on,
on their side, different antenna will be deployed, and they’ll open up some vents as well. It’ll be their first smell of Earth in six months. So I remember that. I remember smelling the
grass of, of Kazakhstan come through and, and I’d just forgotten what
Earth was like, you know. Earth has a, a smell, it has a sound, you hear
the wind through the, the hull of the, of the vehicle and you thought
man, I’m glad I’m an earthling, I’m coming back to a, such a beautiful planet. Nature is, is one thing. Besides our family and friends, nature’s another
thing that we miss. Yeah. What is, you know, we have some time
here, it’s probably going to be, you know, a half hour or better before we, we see David out
of the capsule depending on how quickly the segment goes. So now we just have a chance to pick Bob’s
brain here a little bit about, a little bit about his flight experience and maybe what we
can expect to hear from David when he’s back talking to us. But you know, tell us a little bit more about, you
know, your appreciation for Earth, missing nature. You know, what’s it like living in a tin can for six
months and only smelling that one smell or maybe the smell of your buds after they work
out. ( Laughter) Well, you know, living aboard a spacecraft like
the International Space Station is not like staying at the Ritz Carleton
Hotel. If you’re the kind of person who enjoys camping, then you’d be a great astronaut because, you know, as you know, we sleep in
sleeping bags, we eat rehydratable food for most of the time,
there’s no bathtub, there’s no shower, there’s no washing machine, there’s no dryer so
it really is a, a camping existence. But we thrive on that, you know. We, you know, someday we will have luxury
hotels in space, but not in our lifetimes. It’s a small tiny cost to pay for work and flight in
space. A lot of people ask me, you know, what do you
miss most about space flight after 10 years? We just celebrated our, my crew’s 10th year
anniversary of our, of our expedition. I miss my opportunity to look out the window
and look at this beautiful planet down below. I never had enough time at the window. Wish I could have had more. I miss the science that we did, all of the scientific experiments turned out well. I miss flying around like Superman. (Laughter) But I think the thing I miss the most is my crewmates. Remember maybe two and a half years prior to
launch, the mission manager explained all of the
objectives for our flight to us and I didn’t say anything, but I was thinking to myself, you know, fat
chance we can accomplish all of that. And after the mission was over, we had
accomplished all of them and we came home with more data and more
experience than what people were hoping for. And I think it’s important for Canada, for me, for
all of us to pursue near impossible challenges all the time. Don’t do what’s expected of us, do, do more
than what you think is possible. Those are the kinds of challenges that people
that work for space agencies do. And working with talented people like people in
this room here, and my crewmates, we, we were successful. David has the same feeling as well. I talked to him by email a few days ago, and he described the six months as being
surreal, being magical, and how his work efficiency was still increasing. He had, you know, in one respect, he was glad
to be coming home today to see his family, but the other respect, he was a little bit sad
because he was finding that his ability to perform as an
astronaut, it was still increasing and he wanted to see what
his limits were. So that was kind of an interesting perspective.
And I identified with that. I knew what he was talking about. Yeah. I don’t know if I ever told you so, when
David and – you knew this – but when David and I were selected, we had the
announcement in Ottawa and then not long after, we went down to Florida
to watch Julie’s launch. You were already on board the Space Station at
the time, and then I missed Julie’s launch cause it got
delayed so many times, I ended up going back the day after, or the day
before she actually launched., but by the time I got back to Cold Lake, I walked
out that night and the night sky and ISS was going over and I
could see, like, the two dots going through the sky cause the shuttle hadn’t
docked yet. So I saw you go by, I saw Julie trailing, catching
up to the Space Station, getting ready to dock. And yeah, it’s a special memory for me cause I
was very excited to be joining this adventure and joining your corps and then to see the two
of you, two Canadian stars streaming through the sky was, meant a lot to
me to see that. Pretty neat. You know, there’s something about the, you
know, the Space Program, you know, it brings people together. I’ve been re-, kind of
retired now from active astronaut status for seven or eight years now, but I’m never going to leave the Space Program. There’s something magical about it and I, I want to be involved to support missions like
David’s mission, your mission, and, the exploration of deep space. It’s something that is part of my DNA and
everyone in this room I think can say the same thing as, as well. It’s, it’s great when we can support missions in
space. Let’s do it more often. Yeah. And Bob’s not telling you the full truth. He’s a very, very active in supporting the Space
Program today. He, he’s always gone out of his way to mentor
the rookies, but more than that, he’s working behind the scenes, working with
any team, working on some medical stuff with us right now, but really helping bring,
continue to bring his extraordinary expertise and experience to the Space Program to keep
pushing Canada further and further ahead. And, you know, for a corps of rookie astronauts,
it’s really important for us to have these mentors that we can talk to. So I know I’ve thanked you before, but I just
want to say in front of all these people, we really do appreciate it that you just didn’t
disappear into the night on us and that we can still lean on you today and send
you an email or call you up and, and you actually answer. That means a lot. (Applause) I wanted to ask you, Bob, when you were talking
about, you know, David’s efficiency increasing and, you know, you could relate to that, but just,
you know, what does that really mean? I mean, to me, I’ve seen, I’ve watched the crews
from mission control, I see them early on, I see them at the end of
their expedition, I mean, I see them, just the way they move is probably one of the
biggest things that I notice, but maybe talk to us about that and some of the
other efficiencies. Yeah, there’s a couple of things. So movement is the first thing, is after the first
week, you learn that your legs are like useless appendages in space. They just sort of float in the breeze behind you
as you move around. You tend to use your upper body grabbing
handrails and corners of, of racks as you, as you move around. It’s much more efficient to move Superman style
in space than to try to maintain a quasi-upright posture with your head towards
the ceiling and your feet towards the, the floor. It was always interesting whenever a shuttle
came up to visit us because the station crew would be flying around
like Spiderman or Superman and the shuttle crew would always be walking
around, you know, with their feet on the ground. (Laughter) So you and I have a friend, Dave Wolf, and he made an effort to try to adapt to
weightlessness. So one day I was working out on the stationary
bike and Dave comes by and he’s got — Yeah, yeah, show, show us that again how he
(inaudible). (Laughter) — Dave comes by with his feet on the ceiling
and his hands on the floor and so I applauded him, I said way to go Dave. And he was heading off in this direction. And then about 30 seconds later, he comes
back and I said Dave, what’s the matter? He said well, I was heading for the shuttle, but I
didn’t get (inaudible) Soyuz. (Laughter) Working efficiency though, so I can remember
my first week on orbit, you know, I’d look at the OSTPV, which is the timeline that
we work by and I’d go and, I was going to work at a workstation and repair
something. So I go to the tool chest and half the tools that I
needed were missing. Other crewmates had used them, and so I’d get
lost, I’d sort of be stuck. I didn’t know what to do cause I didn’t have the
tools that I needed for the, for the task. But with experience, you know where you can
find other tools elsewhere in the station or you can jerry rig something that can function
as a wrench or a pair of pliers. I can remember another time that I was getting
behind in the timeline and I went to my workstation and there was a
Ziplock bag there with all of the tools that I needed for my task, and I said how did
that happen? Well obviously, one of my crewmates had saw
and noticed that I was behind the timeline that day, and had
looked out for me and put together all the tools that I would need
so I could save 15 minutes in my task. So teamwork is another way that you can, you
can save time and become efficiency, efficient in space. And then another thing that we would do is we’d
take a lot of photographs during the day and we’d have very high resolution cameras, the
image files were, you know, 10, 14 megs each. And in the middle of the day, I’d go and download the photos to you, to the CSA, and that would clobber my laptop, you know, downloading these 14 meg files, you know, 200 of them, and I couldn’t use my laptop for the, for the next three hours. So I began to realize hey, when you go for dinner, that’s the time to download the image files. So little tricks like that that you, you learn. And that’s, those are just silly examples of hundreds of little tips and hints that make you efficient as a crewmember. Yeah. I’ve been making you do most of the talking so I thought I’d bring you your water. ( Laughter) Well, let me ask you a question. So David has launched – landed. We haven’t seen him yet, but what’s in store for him now over the next two or three or four months? Yeah. So like I said, within about 24 hours, he’ll be in Houston and that plane is kitted out so that they have two beds in there for Anne and David so that they can, you know, they can try and get some rest. They’ve had a long day, when you think about it. I mean, remember we said that the hatch closing was at 4:00, so you know, that portion of their day, I mean, they didn’t wake up at 4:00, they started well before that, and that portion that they’re in this capsule is about an eight-hour trip for them. So imagine being on an eight-hour plane ride, but except you’re in an uncomfortable spacesuit, strapped into a seat and you have the whole stress of actually doing something and making sure your landing goes well. So it’s been a long, a long, long day for them. It’s not over yet. And they won’t rest until they’re on that airplane. So hopefully they’ll be able to sleep. And then when he arrives in Houston, his wife Véronique and the kids will be there, a few others from the astronaut corps will be
there. It’s a private, and it’s a private event. They’ll just get off the airplane, they’ll say hello to their family, they’ll high five the rest of the folks that are there and then he’ll leave with, with his family and go back to what we call crew quarters, which is, it’s our quarantine facility. He’s not, he’s not going to be in quarantine but that is our quarantine facility prior to shuttle launches. And as we ramp up to flying out of the United States again, we’ll be using it for quarantine again. So he’ll go back there. He’ll sleep there tomorrow night. He won’t get to go to bed right away because, well the same thing’s going to happen to him here. When we pull him out of the capsule, it’s going to be all smiles and high fives, but then they’re going to pull him in a tent and then the doctors are going to start, (laughter) start their business. And there’ll be needles and testing. And, and then when they get to Houston, there’ll be more needles and testing. And then every day after that will be more needles and testing and MRIs and all sorts of fun stuff for David to do. But he’ll, every day, he’ll have more and more time to spend with his family, certainly in the evenings. And then, he’s going to start rehabilitation. So, I mean, he’ll be, we’ll see that he’ll be walking, you know, walk off the airplane tomorrow, but somebody will be holding his arm because, you know, you just don’t have the vestibular stability to, to trust yourself or for the doctors to trust you to do that. And so, he’ll be being helped, but he’ll be walking, but he’ll have to start, he’ll be getting in the gym, he’ll be working on his coordination and continuing his strength exercises. He’ll be working with our trainer down in Houston on that. And then, then we got debriefs, they’re going to want to debrief the crew, so we got to pull as much information out of their brains as we can while these medical tests are going on. At some point this summer, we’re actually going to give him some time with his family for a vacation. I think he’s earned it. So he’ll get a little bit of time. And then, you know, something that’s really important to us, the Canadian Space Agency, is we want to, I mean, we feel like we’re sitting on a treasure chest of space exploration. We want to share it with Canadians. And so, David will be traveling around Canada and sharing his experiences with Canadians. So, of course, now this white thing that you see, these ladders, they didn’t come down with the capsule. They’ve been constructed at the capsule. Obviously, David’s ended up landing upright, just like Bob’s landing did. Down in the bottom here, you see one of the windows. There’s two windows in the Soyuz capsule. David is beside one of those windows on the outsides. And what we can expect next is once they get the hatch open, they’re going to climb down in there and they’re going to pull the Commander out first, the Russian Commander as he’s sitting in the middle seat and he’s kind of in the way of getting to the other two. (NASA audio commentary) (Applause) (NASA audio commentary) Ah there we go. He got an apple. (Laughter) Nobody told Anne you have to accept the fruit. (Laughter) You know what? It’s a good sign that a crewmember is able to eat something, you know, that says that the nausea is under control. But the other thing, knowing Oleg, he’s keeping his, his neck rigid. He’s, if he has to look left and right, he’s just moving his eyes, he’s not moving his head. That helps, by keeping a rigid head with respect to his torso, that helps control the motion sickness problems. He’s showing off. (Laughter) He really wants to fly again, so he’s like, I’m going to eat this apple. (NASA audio commentary) Jeremy, this is a Soyuz landing in Kazakhstan. This is land landing. For the commercial vehicles coming up in the next year or two, will it be similar types of landings? Yeah, so you know, right now, we’re well into development stage on two new vehicles called commercial crew that are going to take astronauts from the cape again to the International Space Station. So one vehicle is from Space X, and the other vehicle is from Boeing. They’re both going to fly. In fact, Space X already did, they did their test flight during David’s stay there. There was nobody on board. We expect in
less than a year to be flying our first crews on those two vehicles. The first crewed flight test to Space Station. I’m not sure, we’re not sure how long those, those test missions are going to be, but when they come back, right now what’s planned is Space X is actually going to land in the water and Boeing is going to land on land basically in the deserts of the southern states. So I think one of them is in, let’s see, in Nevada, I guess, one of the landing sites. I’m not sure where they all are, but so that one will look a lot like this where we’ll target a point on the ground and we’ll have rescue forces there. The other one will look a lot different. It’ll be rescue boats coming in to extract the crew. And so we’ve done water entries before during the Apollo, Gemini missions. However, those were short duration missions. And so crews coming back from long duration, we’re fully anticipating that the water entry is, is going to be a little bit of a wild ride after you land and you’re in those rolling seas in your capsule and you’re, you’re going to be very stimulated. So we’re expecting a lot of barf bags, bottom line, will be used on those ones. But it’s just going to be part of it and, I’m not sure, you know, like it would be very different. I don’t know what we’re going to be able to see for video out there and with this going on. So time will tell. The Orion spacecraft, you may have heard of this one, Orion is going on top of the NASA heavy lift vehicle and that one is built to go into deep space. So that’s the one that’s going to take us back to the moon, beyond the moon. And that capsule’s also going to land in the water. So we’ve been, been doing a lot of preparation to get ready to do these water rescues after entry. So it’ll be very, very different. But beggars can’t be choosers, so I’ll take whatever one they offer me, water, land doesn’t really matter. And it’s intuitive, of course, the longer the flight that you’re on, the more deconditioned your body will be after the mission is over for, for landing. There’ll be more muscle wasting, there’ll be more cardiovascular deconditioning, maybe more vestibular upset as, as well. So it’ll, it’ll be challenging, especially after the extremely long missions that we’re planning for the next decade. So Bob, you’ve been switching gears a little bit. You’ve been helping us with some of our, our medical endeavours, so I thought maybe you could just tell us a little bit about that because, you know, we’ve got a really bright future ahead of us with respect to space exploration, going out to the Lunar Gateway. And so just maybe your thoughts on medical, how we’re going to tackle that problem here in Canada and the benefits. Well, the opportunity to explore deep space is exciting to me, to you, to the Canadian Space Program. Medical operations for shuttle and for International Space Station astronauts is what we say is Earth Centric, which means that if there’s a major medical problem aboard a space station, then it’s the, the medical team on the ground that can help us through, you know, a serious malady, a serious trauma or a serious illness on board the station. The philosophy is to stabilize and then to fly home. So the onboard crew would stabilize the injured crewmember, and then as quick as possible, deorbit the crew member to Earth for definitive treatment. And that type of Earth Centric model works great when you’re close to Earth and you can get someone home in 12 hours or so, and when you have plenty of voice and data communication. That works great. But when we go to deep space, we’re talking about incredible distances. From here to Mars is 400 million kilometres and it means that if you were on Mars and speaking to me, saying good morning, it’s going to take up to 20 minutes for me to hear you say good morning, and another 20 minutes for you to hear my good morning back to you. What happens if you call and say Jeremy has just been electrocuted. Can you help us? Well, it’s going to take 20 minutes for me to hear you say that. And obviously, I cannot help you. So the crews on the deep space missions must have more autonomy and more telemedicine care. So we think that with all of the state of health care innovation in Canada, with their, the competence that we have in clinical training, in medical education systems, with our industry in the Toronto-Windsor corridor, the innovation and start-up culture there, we think that Canada can play a serious role in adopting some of these new modes of deep space health care in autonomous medicine and in virtual care medicine as well. So I’m involved in, with a task force. We’re looking at whether or not Canada can do this. Well, we already know the answer. Canada can do this. We do have the capability. We do have the will to do it. Now, we’re just trying to define who should be involved under the leadership of the Canadian Space Agency so that Canada can continue to contribute in not just the traditional ways to the exploration of, of space, but also in new ways as well, to expand our networks of, of partners and to expand our areas of, of competence. So I’m hoping that some of the technology, some of the models, some of the approaches, some of the training that we develop for deep space astronauts can be spun off to social benefit here on Earth. I think of the North of Canada, you know, I’m talking about Nunavut, the Yukon, the Northwest Territories and that’s a pretty harsh environment up there, not too dissimilar to what deep space is all about. You know, the environment is working against you, the temperature’s working against you, the sparse population is working against you, the distance is working against you. And some of these technologies that potentially Canada can develop for the deep space exploration program can be spun off to aid northerners. The Canada Health Care Act, a piece of legislation, federal legislation from 1982, says that all Canadians should have reasonable access to laboratory and health care facilities in Canada and all Canadians should have access to top quality health care. Well, if you live in Montreal, that’s true. If you live in Resolute or in Cambridge Bay or in Pangnirtung, or Inuvik, you do not have access to quality health care. And perhaps the Canadian Space Agency and our health innovation partners in Canada can help to minimize the risk of long duration space flight, improve health care delivery for future astronauts, but also for Northern Canadians as well. That would be very gratifying for me. Yeah. And you know, medicine’s not my area of expertise at all, but this one really speaks to me, you know, this synergy of bringing our two teams together, people that are very passionate about health care in Canada bringing our space team into that team, bringing the expertise of things we’ve learned about space and bringing autonomy into it and all these things, I think it could bear a lot of fruits for Canadians. It’s going to give – you know, very important to understand is, you know, we, we didn’t actually pay money to send David to space, for example, or to go up there and do science. We created things here in Canada for the benefit of Canadians, and then we bartered them, we traded them with the United States. And that’s what allows us to fly humans in space and to do science. And so these are the types, you need these ideas, you need these grand visions. And international partners have to look at your grand vision and say yeah, we need that. we want that in an exchange for that, we will, we will allow you to fly your astronauts on our vehicles and we’ll allow you to send science to space and to continue to evolve those studies and to learn more. And so having these types of things is a very important aspect, these ideas and pushing those boundaries. And I just have this gut feeling that Canada is really going to come out strong on this medical front and really do us proud.
So I’m very excited to see that. Yeah, thanks. The other thing that appeals to me is that it can broaden the Canadian Space Agency’s partner network as well. Instead of the traditional partners and industries that we’ve been working with for the last decades, there’s potentially new partners out there. So from the government, from the federal and provincial health ministry, they can help us out. The Indigenous people would be part of this potential network. In fact, they’d be drivers in this potential effort. And then a lot of the health care innovation community, who haven’t been, they’ve been participants, but we want to be, play more of a leadership role in this deep space health care if we, if we run with it. So there’s opportunity for Canada to broaden our area of influence in space exploration, but to broaden our partnership network as well. I’m excited about that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I think they’re in the medical tent. We didn’t see a lot of David. Obviously, he’s probably not feeling 100% and it’s totally fine. Like I’ve been trying to tell you for the last hour, I felt like, I felt terrible when I landed, and I just needed some alone time with my, with my flight surgeon. And like I said, it took me 12 hours or so and by then I felt like I could move around on, on my own. Let me add one more thing that, Jeremy was talking about some of the activities that David will participate once he gets to the Johnson Space Centre in, in Houston. One of the tests that I did and I think that David will need to do, to test for his balance and his orientation, is, is his equilibrium platform. So you step on this platform and you’re inside three quarters of, what looks like a telephone booth, and you’re looking at patterned, patterned walls all around you on three sides. And then the test conductor pulls the platform back, the platform that you’re standing on backward and, you know, disturbs you. If you’re fully adapted to, to, you know, to a 1G environment, you can catch yourself. But if you’re, you know, more adapted to the weightless environment, you always fall over. So I hated that test. (Laughter) See? It’s what I’m telling you, no surprise. It doesn’t surprise me at all that someone would come up with that idea. Yeah. It’s kind of morbid. You have one more torture test for astronauts coming back from space. But it, but after about 10 days or so, I was able to successfully pass that test without falling down, and, and then my flight surgeon gave my car keys back to me and he said you can drive now. ( (Laughter) Okay, well the other thing I thought would be worth mentioning to you folks who are, you know, obviously have an interest in space, but we announced earlier this spring that Canada’s committing to partnering with NASA . We expect our other national partners to follow but we’re, we’re leaving low Earth orbit again, we’re going back to the Moon. And Canada committed to developing the Lunar Gateway, which is kind of like a tiny space station out by the Moon, but really it’s a, it’s a hub, it’s a place that you go to continue to do more research, to learn, but also like a reusable hub so that you can, if you have lunar landers, they can go back and forth from the moon to this hub, be refueled, reused again, spacecraft can travel back and forth between Earth and this location. And Canada has decided that we will provide the robotic systems for that. So it’s Canadarm, like Canadarm3, but it’s much bigger than that. It’s much more ambitious and bold. We are going to make, create more autonomous robotics, we’re going to actually integrate artificial intelligence into this arm because we’re going to need to at those distances from Earth. And these are the types of things that are going to allow us to be part of international efforts to go back to the moon. And you may have heard recently that the US is very focused on getting humans back on the moon in 2024 and to put this in perspective, from the way I see it, all of this is very positive for us. Canada is a very much committed to creating part of this reusable infrastructure that is going to keep Canada a major player in space exploration, just like we are today. And these are the kinds of things that enabled us to send David to space and will continue to allow us to do great things on behalf of Canada. So you should know that our future in space is looking very bright for Canada. Right now, we have tremendous opportunity ahead. And the last thing I’d like to say, and then I’ll leave the closing remarks to you, Bob, but you know, this, this is a victory for all Canadians what we saw David do today. An astronaut doesn’t get there on their own. The only reason you go to space is because of some of these things I’ve been alluding to, that you’re part of a huge team and Canada has been behind the Canadian Space Agency producing innovative technologies that are allowing us to partner and go do these bold things. And so basically, I would say you all deserve a pat on the back. It’s Canada at large that enabled this amazing thing that we witnessed today, the end of David’s mission. You know, I’ve been asked a few times what’s the best thing about the International Space Station, and you know, it is a wonderful lab. You know, the partners got together back in the 1990s, and decided that we wanted to build a space station where we can do research that just was not possible in space, research that removes the G vector, we can do research in a weightless environment. So plant biology, animal biology, human physiology, materials processing, fluid physics, combustion science, medical test demonstrations, And if you had asked me before I flew on my flight, I would have said the best thing about the station is that it’s a world class facility for doing this kind of research. If you ask me today after I’ve flown, I think the space station is a laboratory of no earthly peer, but I think that the best thing about the program is that it’s international. It’s brought together former Cold War enemies into a partnership. The partners sometimes have political and ideological differences amongst them. Our relationships with all of the, political relationships with, with all the current partners right now is, is not really solid, but we all continue to work on the Space Program. And the reason for that is that we all have a common vision. Our vision is that we want to extend the capability of human capability in space. We want to use the Space Program to push innovation in our respective countries and want to use the Space Program to solve socioeconomic problems on, on Earth. If we can put a Canadian aboard the International Space Station for 204 days, then we can address, you know, the pension crisis and the national debt and, and Senate reform. We can do this because we can do, we can do that. And then maybe most importantly, we’re inspiring a next generation of, of astronauts, of engineers, of scientists, of, of leaders by what we’re doing in space today. There’s something magical about the space theme. There’s something magical about the exploration of space that catches young people’s attention, inspires them in their, in their STEM, and their steam experiences. When I was a child, I was inspired by the Apollo moon landing program. The Apollo astronauts were heroes of mine. And I absolutely was changed by the Space Program in the way that my educational path went and my career path went. And I’m sure that the Space Program had an influence on the direction that your educational path — Yeah. Absolutely. — and your career ended up going as well. So David has been a great example. This is why we need to continue to do this and we need to do it in an international setting. You know, Jeremy, you mentioned some of the attributes that Canada brings to these kinds of partnerships. We do have great technology, we do have an innovative spirit in this country, but we also are great diplomats, mediators. We know what multicultural skills are all about. We know what team work is all about. We know what fellowship and leadership are all about as well. So even from the non-technical areas, I think that we have a, a need, a means to contribute forever, for more ISS flights for Canadian astronauts in the future, but also let’s, let’s go to deep space as well. That’s great. Well folks, Oleg, Anne and David, our very own David Saint-Jacques are safely back on the planet. Thanks for joining us tonight. Bob, thanks very much for taking the time to be with us. (Applause) Thank you. Congratulations everyone. Have a good evening

21 Replies to “LIVE – Return to Earth of David Saint-Jacques and his crewmates”

  1. The American astronaut is smiling…the Russian cosmonaut looks strong and brave…the Canadian is puking left, right and center into various bags.

  2. Y pensar que algunos les tenemos miedo a las alturas por lo que nos hace la gravedad y estos hombres suben y bajan del espacio como si cruzarán una calle. Que bueno que se pueda tener acceso a todos estos experimentos y avances.

  3. Welcome home. TY for your service to the world. I appreciate the work you all have done and the huge crazy sacrifices you all made to do the work you did.

  4. Welcome home David, thank you for your services for the world, best wishes during this time of adjusting to gravity! Enjoy the fresh air!

  5. Hi เห็นกูยัง มันเยอะคนมนุษย์พื้นดิน มันแฮ็คถ่านอยู่เลื่อยๆเลย ขนาดแบตเตอร์รี่ เรามีหลายๆอัน เอาจริงๆเลย จัดการได้แล้ว เมื่อคนต้องเสี่ยงชีวิตนั้น ไม่อย่างนั้น จะไม่จบ กำจัด ไปเลื่อยๆเร่งด่วน ให้มากที่สุด ไม่ยกเว้นชนชั้น ในฝูงของสัตว์ต้องมีผู้นำ ฝูงอยู่แล้ว แต่ต้องอยู่ในกรอบสังคม อยู่รวมกัน ไม่มีข้อยกเว้นใคร แม้แต่ผู้หญิงตั้งครรภ์หรือท้อง ทำผิดกำจัดหมด (ทางพลังพระพุทธเจ้า มันเป็นพลังตรงข้ามกับหลุมดำ) พลังพระพุทธเจ้าเป็นระเบิดนิวเครียร์ ตายหมด พลังหลุมดำ สิ่งไม่ดีตาย มากๆ จะดี มันตรงข้ามกัน เลือกวิธีปฎิบัติ ไม่ยกเว้นลำดับชั้น เอาทิ้งสิ่งไม่ดี มันนานมากแล้ว แค่เรารู้จักกัน ของเรา จะ5ปีแล้ว แต่มันเกิดมาก่อน 20 กว่าปีแล้ว มันยังเป็นอย่างนี้เพราะไม่กำจัดทิ้งเลย Asm 10.35 o'clock th 26…/06/2019 Hi

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