Lesson 24 – Copy/paste Christianity – The Pioneer School Extra

Lesson 24 – Copy/paste Christianity – The Pioneer School Extra

Welcome to this lesson, Lesson 24.
I’m sure this is going to be a lesson that will help many people and challenge many
people. Very often on the Pioneer School I talk about those religious glasses.
And that we need to take those glasses off. This time it’s not just
about the religious glasses. This time it’s about something much more. That
people don’t want to see the truth. They are afraid to actually see the truth
about the things I’m going to share. They are afraid to listen to some of those
things and accept them. Why? Because of what would happen. Because
the truth is that the early church did not run around with a Bible. They did not run
around with a Bible in their hands. But the early disciples walked with Jesus.
And Jesus is not on earth today, but He has sent His Holy Spirit. And the reason
people are afraid when I talk about the early church did not have a Bible for
many, many years, many hundreds of years the way we have it, is because they don’t
know what the Holy Spirit is able to do. That the Holy Spirit is able to teach us,
to guide us, to help us. The Holy Spirit is able to do the same as Jesus did when
He walked on earth with His disciples. But now I’m happy that we have the Bible
and I think this teaching is going to help you to understand the word of God
and to read it in the right context. Because what we’re going to look at in
this lesson really is chapters and verses How chapters and verses have destroyed
the Bible, because now we read the word out of context. And we’re going to look at
infant baptism, salvation baptism, tongues and tithing. And I’m going to take
different examples to show how chapters and verses have destroyed it and make a
wrong theology when it comes to those things. So I know it’s going
to challenge you. You’re going to love it. It’s going
to set you free. God bless you. Welcome to this teaching. This is lesson
24 of the Pioneer School. And today I’m going to continue where I left off
last time. And this is really going to be exciting. Last time I spoke about the
Bible, how to understand the Bible and we looked at the teachers of the law,
the Pharisees and compared them with the early church, the first disciples and
how they were living. And then we talked about a little about the word and were
also just into tasting or talking about the things with chapters and verses.
That the Bible in many ways, I said, has been destroyed because we put chapters
and verses in the Bible. And the Bible in the beginning was a book without chapters
and verses. It was letter by letter. And many people have responded to that
teaching and many, many people love it. And there have been people who also
have different questions about it. And I want to cover that and then I want
to continue. One of the questions was, “What Bible translation do I use?” Because
a guy here who uses New King James and he asked what I use.I use my Danish
Bible, because I’m from Danemark, I’m a Danish guy and I grew up and read
my Danish Bible for many years. I want to say, and you’re going to see
that very clearly, it’s really not about, it’s really not so much about what the
Bible translation you’re using. It’s about understanding of the full picture of the
word of God. It’s about the Holy Spirit teaching you. Because what I’ve seen,
I’ve seen people who are so stuck in having the right Bible translation, but
there’s so many areas in their life where they have not seen the big picture. And
for me the biggest revelation for me where I took off my religious glasses and
suddenly understood the Bible in a new way It was not because I got a right
translation, but it was because I learnt to divide the Bible in the right
way, and I saw the big picture of the word of God. And this is more important
than what Bible translation you are using. But when that is said, it is good to just
look at different translations. Just take so many as possible and just read them
through. But that is not the most important thing.
Another question was about my teaching. That I say that Scriptures and verses
are almost from Satan. I don’t remember if I said like that. But he had a challenge
with this because I used Scripture and and verses myself. Jesus quoted Scripture
Peter quoted Scripture. Paul quoted Scripture. They all quoted Scriptures and
it was in their case, the Old Testament. So, they all quoted Scriptures. There is
nothing wrong with quoting Scriptures. But what is different, this is what I want
to say, that they did not get introduced to Scriptures, chapters taken out of
context. They read it and they read it, and when they then quoted it, it was in
the right setting. They quoted it in the right context. But we are so used to a
Christianity where we do not start with the full picture. We just start with
verses taken out (of context) and that is the problem. And that is going
to be very clear in this lesson because what I’m going to do soon is we’re going
to look at different things, of different verses you’ve heard again and again.
Many people have heard because some of those verses are used in the church
again and again. But this time you are going to see how those Scriptures we
thought we knew, actually were wrong. Because they are taken out of context.
So there is nothing wrong in quoting Scriptures, just quoting in the right
context. But you also don’t need to use like, Acts 4:13, 1 John 2. I just do it to
help you now. But the early disicples didn’t do that. They just quoted how it
was. There is one who wrote to me, “That many churches actually are going
far away from the Scripture, saying that the Holy Spirit is driving them to weird
practices – they don’t say that, but we see it – they say the Holy Spirit is
driving them to do so and so. And in the name of freedom in Christ. And then,
“but the Bible warns us to be careful of those things and we can recognise a tree
by its fruits.” I want to say something on that. When I’m out teaching and what I
said last time is going to provoke many people. And it provoked many people.
It provoked people that I’m saying, the early disciples did not have a Bible, the
way we have it today. They did not run around with a Bible in their hands, the
way we do it. They did not have Strong’s concordance. They didn’t have a Bible
School. They did not have education the way we have it today. The early
Christians did not have the same thing we have today for many, many years.
We talk about hundreds of years. And it is a challenge for many, many
people today, because we don’t know how strong is the Holy Spirit and what
the Holy Spirit is doing. Because many people think they have the Holy Spirit but
they don’t actually have the Holy Spirit. And I’m going to look at that, very soon.
But I’ll come with an example from my own life. When I got born again and
experienced God a new birth 20 years ago, the Holy Spirit started to teach me and
I love the word. I’ve always loved the word. But I came in a background, in a
church setting where there was actually not a lot of sound doctrines, to be honest
And I was longing for more and deeper teaching. So at one time I found people
in the other side, out here, who were not so charismatic, so focussed on the Holy
Spirit. But I think in many areas I loved what they were saying because it was
deeper teaching. So for a long time I started to listen to those people out here
and when I started to listen to them, it was actually the first time I felt like
I get real meat now. This is solid food. This is something I can use for something
And I started to connect with some of those people. And I went to a conference
many years ago. I was together now with those people in Denmark, who were talking
mostly about sound doctrine. Like, “test everything! Sound doctrine. It’s all
about sound doctrine. We have to go to the word, the word, the word.”
They were really, really into doctrines. Not the same way as the church I came
from. But when I met them I was shocked. Because here I thought I came to somebody
who had a high focus on sound doctrine therefore, in my mind, a radical good life
with God. But when I came I only saw words There was no Holy Spirit working. There
was no healing. There was no deliverance. There was no prophecy. I did not see the
Holy Spirit working. It was like the Holy Spirit was being put out and now there was
doctrine, doctrine, doctrine and words instead of the Spirit. It was one thing I
saw. Another thing I saw was there was no unity. Those people who were so in to
sound doctrine, they could not agree with each other. And I thought in the beginning
it was just sitting down and then you studied the Bible, then you come to a
unity in these Scriptures because this is what the Bible is saying. But I saw it’s
not like that. And I was really, really disappointed. But God there took me on
journey and started to teach me things, show me things I’ve been dealing with
showing you here in the Pioneer School. And one of the things I have really
learned is that the Holy Spirit is real. And the Holy Spirit, now we’re not
talking about counterfeits where it’s strange weird manifestations, but we’re
talking about the Holy Spirit. Him! He is able to teach us the truth. He is
able to do what no Bible School could do, nor Bible College could do. No education
can do. The Holy Spirit can do it. And when Jesus was talking about the Holy
Spirit in John 15, you can read about it there. He’s talking about the work of the
Holy Spirit. And Jesus starts to say this in verse 7, “Nevertheless, I tell you the
truth. It is to your advantage that I go away.” If we just stop here. Jesus had
been with His disciples teaching them, one to one, personal teaching to them,
for three years. He had been teaching them for three years and then He called
them together and said, “Nevertheless, I tell you the truth”, like Jesus was
lying?? Jesus never lied, but why should He say, “I tell you the truth now”?
Because what He was saying was so difficult for them to understand. And what
was the truth? – the best for them was that He leave them! And the same today.
I tell you the truth, it’s the best for you, that you don’t just have that Bible
College and just look at Scripture. That you don’t just go to seminary.
Because you need something else. You need the Holy Spirit. Jesus said here,
“Nevertheless, I tell you the truth. It is for your advantage that I go away. For if
I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But when I depart, I will
send Him to you and when He comes He will convince the world of sin, of
righteousness and of judgment.” So, it’s the Holy Spirit who will convince
us, the world, of sin, righteousness and judgement. And He continues, and later
He said, “I still have many thing to say to you. But you cannot bear them now.
However, when He, the Spirit of truth has come, He will guide you into all
truth.” So what Jesus was saying, was that the Helper He sent was a Helper like
Him. He was not a Helper less than Him. He was not a Helper worse than Him. He was
actually better for us that Jesus went away. Why? Because if Jesus was on earth
today, we would have to travel to Israel to see Him. He needed to sleep and do a
lot of things. No you will not meet Him. He’s going to be in one place at one time.
But by Him going away, He sent His Holy Spirit. And His Holy Spirit is able to
teach us, guide us. And this is some of the works of the Holy Spirit we read here-
He is the Helper. He will convince the world of sin, righteousness and judgment.
He will guide you through all truth. And whatever He hears, He will speak. “He will
glorify Me”, Jesus said. Some of the things I’m saying about the
early church, that they did not have a Bible, the way we do. They did not have
Bible Schools the way we have them. They did not have a Strong concordance
and E-sword, lexicon and all the things we have. It is so radical for us to hear
and for many it’s not just about taking the religious glasses off. It’s like they
have “this” on. They’re blind because they want to be blind. They’re like, “la,
la, la, I don’t want to hear. I don’t want to hear what you’re saying, Torban.
I don’t want to hear.” The only reason they don’t want to
hear is because they have not seen what the Holy Spirit is able to do. They have
not seen that the Holy Spirit can do what no man can do. The Holy Spirit can
teach what no man can teach. The Holy Spirit can guide us, like no man can guide
us. The Holy Spirit is real. He’s alive. But I’m talking about the truth of the
Holy Spirit. I just took a testimony with somebody from our Pioneer Training
School, just before this video. And I took a testimony with a woman who
came to our Pioneer Training School three days ago. The first two days we talk about
repentance, baptism and Holy Spirit. And on one of those days, two days ago,
I think it was, I asked if somebody is doubting if they are speaking in tongues
and she said, Yeh, me, I’ve always been doubting. Come up here! And then I
prayed for her. It was so beautiful. It was like the Holy Spirit just came in.
She breathed in and the Holy Spirit, (tongues), and she just started to speak
in tongues. It just came out of her. And she said afterwards, “I’ve been
praying tongues for twenty years, but now I know it was not tongues. I thought
I had the Holy Spirit for twenty years, but now I know I didn’t have the Holy
Spirit. And she was just sharing with me her testimony before this teaching. And
she was saying, “that when I was out on the street yesterday, preaching the Gospel
when talking with people, I had a boldness that I’ve never had before.” So, it’s
possible to think you have the Holy Spirit without having the Holy Spirit?
The true Holy Spirit is holy. The true Holy Spirit is guiding us to a life in
holiness. The true Holy Spirit is able to do what we cannot do. So, when I
say again, I say in the beginning, I’m a radical guy. I want radical disciples.
I want high standard of holiness etc. So you know where I saw that coming?
Not by just teaching and teaching and teaching and teaching, and going
into details in Bible School and Bible College. I’ve never seen people
come out of Bible College -I’ve seen them come out with a big head and a lot of
knowledge and they often get proud because they believe to know a lot. But I’ve
never seen people come out of Bible College to be honest with a life of
holiness, with a life of boldness, with a life like we see the early disciples had.
Why? Because it was man teaching and not the Holy Spirit teaching. It was man
guiding and not the Holy Spirit guiding. It was man who did it and not the Holy
Spirit. So, I love the word. And the word is a gift from God. And I’m amazed at the
New Testament. I’m happy we have it now. And this is amazing we have it. But we
should not depend on the word alone. We need the Spirit also. We need the
Spirit to guide us. And He is now guiding us through the words. In the early church
they did not have all the letters, but He was then still guiding them, not the way
He guides today. He was guiding with other things. Through the Old Testament also.
But they were not guided the way He guides us today. They did not have it like we
have it today. So the focus should be the Spirit. And I think we should walk
on two legs. The Spirit and the word. The Spirit and the word. We start with the
Spirit and then the word. The Spirit is guiding us and teaching us and helping us
and we should test everything from the word. The Spirit and the word. And if we
have those two legs, then it’s going to be really, really good. Yes, we need a
reformation. We need a reformation, going so much deeper, where we talk about
church structure. We talk about doctrines. We talk about the Gospel. We also talk
about our way of understanding the Bible that we need the Spirit even more. And
yes, the true Holy Spirit can teach, can guide and set people free. And I hope
you understand that. Okay. So before I’m going to continue, one of the
questions was also about what words, translations I was using. Should I use
King James? Should I use this? One thing that is really more important
than what translation you use is what is written here. “Be diligent to present
yourself approved to God as a worker who does not need to be ashamed.” This is what
we need to do. “Rightly dividing the word of truth.” What does that mean? I know
that there are different translations. But what we do mean by “rightly dividing
the word of truth”? We need the word, but we need to understand from whom it is
coming from. To whom it is written? We need to understand the text in context.
And the problem -we’re going to look at that. The problem with the chapters and
verses is this is not how we should divide the word. We should look at what covenant
we are in. New covenant or Old Covenant? Are they under the law? Who is speaking
now? Who are they talking to? Is it before the cross, or
after the cross? Is it before the Holy Spirit or
after the Holy Spirit? Are they speaking to
non-believers or to believers? We should divide the word in that
way. But the Bible has become like a phone-book. A telephone book. You
take up the old phonebook and you find one thing you need to use. And people are
using the Bible like this. They find a Scripture I can use, instead of seeing the
full picture. Instead of reading the Bible the way it should be read. By the Holy
Spirit teaching you. Okay, I’m going to continue. I hope you are ready now.
I’m going to quote two Scriptures. In the book of Acts, Paul and Silas were in jail
and the Holy Spirit came and set them free from jail. The Jailer said, “Sirs,
what must we do to be saved? They replied, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will
be saved, you and your household.’ So here we see Paul and Silas say to him,
“Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.” And I
can quote another Scripture, Galatians, “In Christ Jesus you are all children of
God through faith.” I have two scriptures here. I can now say to you, and out of
those and other scriptures teach that baptism is not important. It’s all faith.
It’s all about faith and baptism is not important. I can actually draw some more
from Galatians, where we read, “don’t go or talk about another gospel. And we are
justified by faith and not by the law, and “foolish Galatians, who has bewitched
you?” etc, and then use those scriptures and Galatians and say that baptism
is not part of salvation. Baptism has to do with works, and we don’t want works.
We are justified by faith. We are the children of God through faith. And it’s
those who “believe” in Christ shall be saved, not those who are baptised.
For many people, they will never think that what I’ve done just now is that I’ve
just been misusing the Bible in a bad, bad way. What I have just done now is
actually I have divided the Bible in a wrong way. I’ve taken the text, verses
out of context and have misused it. I really misused those scriptures if I
say it’s all about faith and baptism is not necessary. Why? Because those
scriptures are talking about baptism. Because the next verse, He did not say
just believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved. The
next verse is that, “They then spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the
others in his house. And then immediately he and all his household were baptised.
So, suddenly, we read here, “believe in the Lord Jesus, you and your
household will be saved” and I can use that to talk about faith and not
about baptism. That it’s faith that saved and not baptism. But, when you read it
in context, you read that right after they spoke the word they needed
to know what to believe in. And they got baptised.
The same with this scripture here. I have just taken a scripture
and to quote this, it’s quoting a half truth. Quoting a lie almost!
“In Jesus Christ, you are all children of God through faith,” – it’s not finished
yet- who is he talking about who are children of God through faith?
-“For all of you who were baptised into Christ have clothed yourselves with
Christ”. The next verse. So you see how easy it is – I have taken
just two verses and quoted two verses, and out of those two verses I could preach
another Gospel. A Gospel where you don’t need to get baptised. And I did it and
nobody thought there was anything wrong with it. But if you from the beginning on
was introduced to the full package, read it book by book and knew the context, you
will know that those two verses were talking about baptism, and not only faith.
Because faith and baptism go together. And to quote Galatians and say that, hey
we should not be under the law. What Paul was talking about in Galatians, to not go
under the law, had nothing to do with baptism. Why? Because the people he’s
talking to are baptised. They’ve all got baptised when they came to faith. I hope
you see that this is just one of many examples and if you go to the internet
today and write, “Is baptism necessary? Is tongues for everyone?” or “what about
this, or what about that”, you will always find articles where there are scriptures
and where there are verses. There are verses like this. And it seems like the
word of God, but it’s not. It’s a half truth. It’s a lie, in many cases. Why?
Because we take it out of context instead of reading the full package. Another
example I have. Infant baptism. For you who are not living in a Catholic
country, Lutheran country, you don’t know so much about infant baptism. But for us
here, it’s a big part. A few days ago I got this in our mailbox. This is from the
Lutheran church. I’m not a member of the Lutheran church. But still, I get this
like every second month or third month. I get this in my mailbox. This is a baby
who should get baptised. “A new beginning” about baptism. And then
“The Lord took the children and said, you should not hinder them entering into
the kingdom of God.” Yeh. Infant baptism. Let’s look at that.
What do they do when they have infant baptisms in the church? Infant baptisms,
what do they say there? What they do in the Lutheran church -they quote three
scriptures. I’ll read three scriptures. 1. From Mark -where we read about how
Jesus was baptised. Then they read from Mark 10 that Jesus said, “Let the children
come to Me. You should not hinder them.” And then they read the Great Commission,
and then they baptise people in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit. What do they do? They quote scriptures. But you cannot quote scripture
in the way they’re doing. Firstly, that scripture in itself is talking about
baptism – that scripture, Matthew, is talking about baptism, but Mark 10,
where they brought the children to Jesus and He laid His hands
on them. That has nothing to do with baptism. That has to do
with His blessing them. He just laid His hands on them, He did not take them and
baptise them. But this is what we often do We take one verse about something and then
we take another verse about something else and put it together and suddenly
we have baptisms of babies. Like here, we take a word about baptism,
“Jesus got baptised”, and a word about the Great Commission to go out and baptise
people – oh we need some verses where it has to do with babies, children. Okay, we
just take this, where Jesus said, Let the children come to Me. But you cannot build
theology like that! There is no example in the New Testament that babies got baptised
Then they have one more proof. And this is from Acts 16 about the jailer. “Believe
in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. You and your household. And all his
household was baptised.” So what we read in Acts 16 was that all in his household
got baptised. Ahah! We believe that maybe there are babies in that household. Okay,
if you look at the world today, how many households are there with babies?
There are many households where there are babies. There are so many households
with no babies. In our household, in my house right now, the youngest is eleven.
She is baptised. We don’t have babies in our household. And in other
households there are also no babies. There’re other households there are
babies. But we cannot build theology on something we hope and think and so on.
Those things we need to know as solid. But again if we just read the text we
will know that there are no babies here. Why? We read here that “all in his
household were baptised”. So he believed there is
a baby included in the “all were baptised”. But if we continue,
“then they spoke the word of God to him and the whole household”-
and later, “his whole household rejoiced -at having come to faith in God”. So if
there is a baby included in the “whole household” here, and there is a baby
included in the “whole household” here and there is a baby included in the “whole
household” here. How often have we seen “they spoke the word of the Lord to that
baby, and that baby rejoiced after coming to faith. Because if there was a baby
there, there was a baby there, there was a baby there, and they read that God
spoke the word of the Lord to everyone and everyone rejoiced. I have been to
many baptisms in the Lutheran church and I have not yet seen priests stand and
start to preach the word of God to babies. And I’ve never seen a baby rejoice after
coming to faith. They are not rejoicing here. There is no speaking in tongues
here. There is no transformation here. Why? Because babies cannot get baptised.
But another area where it goes deeper where we don’t see it is actually the
Great Commission, where there is also a problem. Because Jesus said, Go out,
make disciples of all nations, baptise them. The we read in the name of the
Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Just because we have heard a verse many times doesn’t
make it a verse having more truth than other verses. And this is our problem,
because there are some verses we love to quote and we have heard that verse
so many times we have heard it again and again, and again and again. And
sometimes we get blind by those verses. And we think that that verse is a truth.
But a verse cannot stand alone. We need to understand the context. And we need to
look into it. And what do we see in this case? We see that no one in the Bible in
the early church for the first hundred years, nobody got baptised by saying I
baptise you in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Everyone
got baptised in the name of Jesus Christ, to Jesus Christ. Because here we have one
verse and here we have many, many verses Acts 2:38 the name of Jesus. Acts 8 with
Philip -they were baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.” Acts 8 baptised in the
name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 10 Peter with Cornelius baptised in name of Jesus.
Acts 19 -baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 22 – calling on the name of
the Lord Jesus. So here we see Acts 2 and Acts 8 with Philip. Acts 10 with Peter
and the house of Cornelius. Acts 19 with Paul in Ephesus, Acts 22 with Paul’s own
experience, and everyone got baptised in the name of Jesus, to Jesus Christ,
calling on the name of Jesus. There was nothing saying, with the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit. And that is confirmed in Romans 6, when you were baptised into
Jesus Christ, Galatians 3 baptised into Christ. So what we see is that everyone
who was baptised, was baptised into Christ. I don’t say now that everybody
shall rebaptise because I think God is greater than what verse we use. But the
right understanding is Christ we get baptised to. Like we don’t go and cast
demons out and say, in the name of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, come out in
the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. What is the name of the
Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? What is the name
of the Holy Spirit? It’s not in the names as the Father, Son and
Holy Spirit. It’s the name of, there is only one name. And who’s
that? It’s Jesus Christ, the name above all names. It’s all about Jesus.
We repent toward the Father, we get baptised to the Son and we receive the
Holy Spirit. And I have more teaching about that in the Pioneer School, the
lesson about baptism. But I just want to take it here because
this is a typical example of the problem with chapters and verses, often that we
never read the whole thing. We just take things and then we have different verses
we love and we hear them again and and again and again and again. And then we
think that just because we have heard it many times that we understand it and that
it’s truth. But that is not the truth. And the truth is, in this case, that most
church denominations they are baptising in the name of the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit, even though it is wrong. And just because most people do it, doesn’t make it
right either. We have to take the glasses off. we have to come back to the word.
And that is one of the problems where we let scholars, teachers, because I’m not
– it sounds like I’m against everyone who goes to Bible School. But I’m not totally
against. I just want to say, the problem is, tell me where you have studied and
I will tell you what you believe. Because you come out with the same glasses on.
You have the same practice. Because you have been taught by the same people
instead of letting the Holy Spirit teach you. Letting the Holy Spirit reveal the
truth. And yes the Bible is not a dangerous book. If you have the Holy
Spirit, the Holy Spirit can teach you. This Bible is not dangerous. But let’s
do the next thing. If we look at Salvation and Baptism. The Book of Acts
“When they heard this, they heard Peter preach. When they heard , they were all
cut to their heart. And they said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers what
shall we do?” The question is what I ask most Christians today, what shall we do
What shall we do to get saved? What shall we do? Most people will quote this
scripture. Pray the sinner’s prayer because the Bible says, “if you confess
with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him
from the dead, you will be saved.” This is what most people will do. Why?
It’s not because you ever see anybody in the Bible who did that. There was
nobody who did the sinner’s prayer. There was nobody whoever said, Let’s
pray this prayer and you will be saved. You don’t find that in the early church
for many, many hundreds of years. That is only a few hundred years old,
or a hundred years old. But why does everybody believe this is what is written
how to do it – scripture and verses? Because they are so used to Gospel tracts
where we put a scripture in, so people can get saved. Most people use that scripture,
those verses. We think this is actually what Romans 10.9 is saying, but it’s
not what it’s saying. Romans 10:9 is not talking to somebody who are nonbelievers,
who need to get saved. Romans 10:9 is actually talking to somebody who already
believes and are baptised and have received the Holy Spirit. Because you read
about that in chapter 6 and chapter 8. Romans 10:9 is speaking to believers
and it is actually before, they are quoting more verses
because you read a few verses before that Moses wrote about
righteousness that came by the law and so on. He’s talking
about the thing between the law and the new covenant. And now he’s
believing Jesus like they believed Moses. Believing and go on believing. So,If you
go on believing and go on confessing you shall one day be saved. And this is what
he’s saying to us who are born again. And not to unbelievers because they need
to repent. It’s not enough to pray a sinner’s prayer. They need to get baptised
It’s not enough to just pray a prayer. They need to receive the Holy Spirit. It’s
not enough to pray a prayer. That is the problem with the Bible today, that we
don’t divide the Bible in a right way. So we take things that is written to
believers and give it to non believers. I come with an example. I used them
last time. I will do a little better. I heard a good example here.Try to
imagine I’m a marriage counsellor. And I’m really, really good at counselling
people who have problem in their marriage. Sometimes I write to a young boy who is
not married, but who wants to find somebody. Sometimes I write to a couple
who are new in their relationship and want to get married. Sometimes I write to
somebody who are just been married but but have some have some beginning problems
and sometimes I write to somebody who are really good and everything is fine and
sometimes I write to somebody who is in crisis or sometimes I write to somebody
who is a widow who just lost their partner I write to them because they write to me
first. I get a letter from them and I answer and they get a letter and I
answer. And I write different things to different people. And I’ve been writing
thousands of letters and then I die. Twenty years later some people find some
of my letters and they actually think my letters are good. What do they do? They
put my letters in a book -not all the letters, only a few. And the letters are
not answered- they only get half the letter -people write to me- they only
have my answer. And they put it together. But a few years later some get the idea to
actually divide my letters into chapters and verses. And suddenly we have a lot
of marriage counsellors who all lead back to my writing-all quote my writing,
but none of them agree with each other. And everyone is teaching totally different
things, even though they all refer back to me. Why? Because it is a copy-paste
way of doing it. They take what they like and leave behind what they don’t like.
And they take things out of context. And therefore they could get me to say
everything they want me to say. But what I say to a young man who was thinking of
getting married, is not the same I say to a couple who have been married for 15
years. And what I say to somebody who’s just got married is not the same I would
say to a widower who’d just lost his wife. What I say to different people is
different. But what do people now do? They take one thing said to that person
in that place and one thing said to that person in that place and one thing said to
that person in that place and now they make a doctrine out of it. And they say,
this is what Torban was teaching. But it was not what I was teaching.
This is the problem with the Bible. This is what we have done. We have put
the books together- that is okay. But then we have divided up and we often
teach things without seeing the big picture. And we need to see our
reformation when it comes to this. We need to come back and see the big
picture again. And this is what I tried to do with the Pioneer School. I tried, yes
I used verses, but the whole purpose of the Pioneer School is to get you to get
alive with God so that the Holy Spirit can teach you and help you. The whole
purpose is to lift you up to Christ, let the Holy Spirit come and get that life
and then see the big picture. Get the religious glasses off so you are able to
understand. And everyone who quotes Romans 10:9 when it comes to get saved,
don’t know scripture. You don’t find one example in the early church how they
did that. But people are still continuing quoting Romans 10:9 because they
don’t want to see the truth. They want to be blind. It’s okay I provoke you.
What should we say? We should say this, “Peter answered instead” in that context.
They asked what shall we do? And then we should say, the same. If we get that
answer we should not go to another book and pick something out and put it in to
give the right answer. Peter replied, Repent and be baptised everyone of you
in the name of Jesus Christ and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And
that is so clear. But then, Torban, Torban Torban, Torban, you talk so much about
baptism all the time, like this is part of salvation and you cannot live a disciple
without being baptised, and so on. Yes I do it. Why? because the
Bible is so clear in this. No, no. No, no no Torban because, because,
because. Then it’s coming. That scripture, that known, known scripture.
If you go on internet today and write “Is baptism necessary for salvation?” They will quote the half part
of this and the half part of this and then they will quote what I have in my hand.
And try to do it. Try to go in-it’s just so funny-write on Google, “Is baptism
necessary for salvation?” Find some of those articles saying, “no it’s not”. And
then you will see this quote taken out of of context, because it’s actually
talking about baptism. And this quote taken out of context, because it’s
actually talking about baptism and then this quote taken out of context
1 Cor 1:17 -Paul says, “For Christ sent me not to baptise, but to preach
the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ
should be made void.” Look here Torban, Look here,
Christ did not send me to baptise. Paul says, Christ did not send me to
baptise, but to preach the cross, to preach Christ. But this is not what he
said! He did not say he did not baptise. You have to read text in context. And
this is often those people who think they are so smart, and we are the ones
with the sound doctrine, quoting that. Try to read it – you are part of a
conversation there, where Paul is saying that there is division in the church. Some
say, I belong to Apollos, some say, Cephus, some say, Paulos, some say,
Christ. Has Christ been divided? Was it me you got baptised to? Was it Paulos?
Who did you get baptised to? No you got baptised to Christ. So they’re talking
about who they got baptised to? Who they got baptised by? Can we also say it like
that? And they discussed that and Paul said, Hey, stop that! Christ did not send
me to baptise but to preach Christ. He did not say, he did not baptise,
because he said, I’m happy I did not baptise in your view there. Okay I
baptised him in his house and I baptised them and I baptised them, them, and them.
So he baptised them actually, but he said it in that context. Like I, a few weeks
ago, was in Canada and I quoted this scripture, in the right context. Because
what did I experience in Canada? Somebody came and said, Torban,
Torban, you need to baptise me. I want you to baptise me.
I had just preached the gospel about repentance,
baptism in water and Holy Spirit. 130 people wanted to get baptised. And
somebody came to me and said, Torban I need you , you, you to baptise me. Do
you know what I answered to him? No, for Christ sent me not to baptise, but to
preach the gospel. Did that mean he did not get baptised? No. Because he got
baptised. Baptism is part of the gospel. But he did not get baptised by me. Because
every time people come and say, Torban, it has to be you who baptises me, every
time I quote this scripture. No. Because if they focus on the one who is baptising
instead of the One who they get baptised to, then they have a wrong focus. And
Jesus did not baptise anyone. You read in John that it was His disciples who
baptised, and it was still with John the baptist. But Jesus did not baptise. His
disciples baptised. And I understood why. Why? Because people are like, Hey
who baptised you? Ahh! It was Jesus who baptised me! And Paul, the same things
happened with him. Who baptised you? It was Cephas who baptised me. Aah I got
baptised by Apollos. Hey, I got baptised by Paul! I think, I’d do the same. The
more people look at me, the less I do the baptisms. A few years ago I did more
baptisms. Two days ago there were ten people here who got baptised at the Jesus
Hotel. I did not baptise any of them. Why? Because I don’t need to baptise.
The importance is they get baptised. But what do people do? People take -they
clear the picture of the word of God. It is so clear if you take those religious
glasses off and read the whole book. Read the whole New Testament. Divide
the book up the right way and that means that nobody got baptised to Jesus in
Matthew, in Mark, in Luke, in John. Nobody got baptised there. Why?
Because we have to divide the Bible, the word of God in the right way. And
it was before the cross. There was nobody there who got baptised to Jesus.
Why?The robber on the cross did not get baptised. Why? Because there were no
baptism. It was still the old covenant. But after the cross, the book of Acts,
they all got baptised. And it is so clear if we look at just what the purpose of
baptism in water was, what the Bible says. I found some scriptures here. Acts 2, for
the forgiveness of your sins. Acts again, washing away our sins. These are some of
the things they say in Acts. Romans said that you die and live with Christ, die to
sin. Titus is saying that you washing of new birth. Colossians is saying, burial
with Christ and rise up and so on. Galatians – crucify with Christ.
Galatians -put on Christ Peter is saying, baptise and I will save
you. So we have many, many, many clear pictures that are showing that
baptism is part of salvation. It’s really important and go to the Pioneer School
if you want to see more about it. One of the twenty lessons. It’s so clear
but what do people do today. They take the clear picture and say, no, no, no.
Because Paul said. So we take one verse out of context and we are therefore blind.
And I put this over this verse, like this. I’m going to continue now. I have two
more examples and then I’m going to stop. Tongues. Speaking in tongues. Again, there
are people who don’t see the big picture. They focus on different details and there
are people who only focus on Acts 2. Acts 2 – we read that the multitude was
confounded, amazed because they heard them speak in their own language. What
happened there? Book of Acts 2 – the Holy Spirit came over the 120 -they spoke-
there were people there from different nations and different countries who all
understood what they were saying because they heard them speak in their language.
And then there’s people who because of that, are teaching that what I do
(tongues) when I pray in tongues like this and what many people do, but this is not
tongues. This is wrong. No, no, no. Tongues should be something you can
understand. Because they understood it. But if tongues should be something you
can understand, why do we then read in another place that you should only do
it if somebody interprets it. Because if everyone understands it, nobody needs
to interpret it. Because this is the next place we read about tongues. Corinthians
where we read that when we speak in tongues, only two and most three, and
each in turn, and if there is no one to interpret, then keep silent. So here in
another place, they are saying, no, no, no you should not speak in tongues, only if
there is somebody who can interpret it. So there are people who focus on this
verse and say, no, no, no, it should be language, only language. But what you
are doing (tongues) and what we are seeing on your videos, is not from God,
because it should only be language. Then other people say, no no,no, what
you’re doing that is wrong also because somebody should be able to be there
and come with the interpretation, otherwise people should keep quiet.
And there are people who are quoting this and focus on this.
But then there are other scriptures, Paul said, the the one who speaks in
tongues speak not to man, but to God, because nobody understands
and he speaks mysteries. And the one who speaks in tongues, builds
up himself. So here we are talking about tongues building up the church. And they
need to be interpreted. Here we talk about tongues in other languages and here we
talk about people who don’t understand. And people are confused. Why are people
confused? Because the Bible again, in the book of Corinthians for example, the book
of Corinthians as I said last time is not written to a Baptist church today. Or
written to a Lutheran church today, or Catholic church today. That book was
written to that church. And that church in Corinth, has something that many don’t
have today. And because they don’t have the same starting point, they don’t
understand the scripture and get lost in the scripture. Because that book is
written to somebody who has already understood the different kind of tongues.
Because this is what it’s talking about. You can read Corinthians 12:10 I think,
you will see there are different kinds of tongues. Here we are talking about three
different kinds of tongues. And to make it even more simple, there are four
tongues. Tongues just mean language. I speak a language now. I speak tongues.
But here they spoke tongues where people could understand them in other languages,
a language you have not learnt yourself. Here they speak a different kind of tongue
where it was really loud and you come to a meeting where somebody is speaking loud
and then you’re waiting and then somebody comes with an interpretation of it.
And here he’s talking about personal tongues that’s for everyone where we
edify ourselves. I believe on Pentecost they spoke the personal tongues also
and there they experienced this. Let me explain it. If you don’t know
there is different kinds of tongues you get lost in those things. When people
get baptised with the Holy Spirit, receive the Spirit, the Spirit fills
them up, (tongues) and they start to speak in tongues, their
personal tongues which are for everyone Then it should also be like that when
we come together to have meetings. Sometimes somebody open up
and speak loud with different tongues where somebody needs to come
with the interpretation. I have experienced that. I have experienced
coming with that interpretation where one guy spoke and suddenly it’s coming
to me and I can speak so everybody can be built up by it. And then there is this
tongue where people understood another language. I experienced this a short time
ago, a strong testimony. I was out shopping a half year ago. And when I came
out of the shop there was a guy coming to me and when I saw him I could see
that he was a satanist. He had contact lens with cat’s eyes and he was totally
dark; hair and everything was dark. He had 666 tattoos on his finger and he had
different symbols with satanic sign on his body. And he came to me and started to
talk to me and it was a little weird what he said, so I said, stop what do you want
then? I think he wanted to beg for money, so I said, Stop. I’m a Christian. What do
you want? Let me pray for you. And I put my hands on him and just prayed and I
just commanded that demon to go, Come out Come out! In the name of Jesus! And
something left him. And he was coughing and coughing and something left him. And
it was strong. But then something else happened. I’ve never seen it like that
before. Suddenly I felt an urge to just lay my hands on him and pray in tongues.
So I put my hands on him. (tongues) And I prayed my normal tongues but I felt it
change, somehow. I did not know what I was saying, doing. I just (tongues) and
I spoke to him. As soon as I spoke to him his eyes became big like he has seen God.
He stepped back. How did you know? I said, What? How did you know our
language? Where have you learnt that? I said, What? I didn’t know what he was
talking about. And then he said, wow, my brother and I when we were kids, we
developed a code language only I and he understood. We are the only persons who
spoke this language. But you have just been telling me about God in our language
How did you know? And when I left that place, he was standing and lifting his
eyes and worshipping God. I love it! But what I experienced there I think was
common to the early church who experienced that there was different kinds of tongues.
The tongues to be interpreted, personal tongues, the tongues where people
suddenly understand another language, and because they knew there were different
kind of tongues, the Bible makes sense. And when Paul says not everybody speaks
in tongues, he’s not talking about the personal tongues that are for everyone.
He’s talking about this and this that we cannot just go out and speak other
language when we want. That is the Holy Spirit that does that in us. So again
the problem is that the Bible is written to believers who have repented, who have
got baptised, who have received the Holy Spirit, who already knew about
the gifting and knew how it was working. because they had that understanding
already and experienced the Bible makes sense. But now we have people who have not
repented, who have not got baptised, who have not received the Holy Spirit, who are
still studying the Bible, but because they don’t have what it takes. They read the
same text but they are blind. I’m coming with an example here, that’s really good
if you have seen this movie I’m talking about here. Because here I have a text
about a movie and I want you to guess what movie it is. And I’m not sure but
I’m almost sure most of you have seen this movie. Try to guess what movie it is?
It’s a movie about a man’s wife brutally murdered by a serial killer and
his son is left physically disabled. And in a twisted turn of events, his son
is kidnapped and he has to chase the kidnapper thousands of miles with the
help of a mentally disabled woman. Do you know what movie it is? We try to
check it again. It’s about a man’s wife who was murdered by a serial killer. Try
to imagine this. A man’s wife was murdered by a serial killer. And then his son is
left physically disabled. And in a twisted turn of events, his son is then
kidnapped and the dad has to chase the kidnapper thousands of miles with the
help of a mentally disabled woman. Do you know what movie it is? Are you
ready? The movie is “Finding Nemo”. Now we read the text one more time.
It’s about a man’s wife who was brutally murdered by a serial killer. It’s his wife
who was murdered by a fish in the beginning. In a twisted turn of events
and his son is physically disabled – that’s a small fin – so Nemo had problem
swimming. In a twisted turn of events, his son is kidnapped, you see. And the
daddy had to chase the kidnapper a thousand miles with the help of a mentally
disabled woman, Doreen. So what is happening here? For you who have seen
the movie when you read that text one more time, suddenly you put other pictures
in the text. The first time you read the text, maybe when you read OK man’s wife
who was murdered, you are creating a picture- thinking murder, like somebody
there. Kidnapped – put in the car and drive away or physically disabled, you’re
thinking of a man sitting in a wheelchair. So you read the text, but you did not have
what it took to understand the text. But when you now see that picture,
experienced it, and have seen the movie, and then read the same text again, now
the text has a totally different meaning. And that is the same with the Bible. You
need to be born again. You need to have the Holy Spirit. you need to walk out and
live it. Go and heal the sick, cast out demons, lead people to Christ, do the
stuff, because when you do the stuff, and live the life, led by the Holy Spirit
then the Bible life is for you. And then it gives meaning in a new way. And this
is what I try to do with the Pioneer School. okay. Let’s take a few minutes
more and talk about tithing. Maybe ten minutes more. Tithing. The reason I talk
about tithing is because so many people ask me, Torban, please talk about tithing.
Please talk about tithing. And therefore I will just end up with this. Maybe you
know this scripture. This is a scripture that is read again , again, and again,
especially in the church I was in years ago. You are cursed with a curse. For you
have robbed Me. Even this whole nation Bring all the tithe into My storehouse
that there may be food in My house. When I was in our church many years ago,
this verse was read again and again and again. Not every Sunday, but many Sundays
And in many churches you read this verse on the church website, and this is about
giving ten percent of your income to the church. So this is a way to give. Bring
your tithe, ten percent to the storehouse which is the church. And this is a verse
that is very, very holy for many, and has been quoted many times. But like many
other things, to say that this is about bringing ten percent of your income to
the local church is really to twist the word and to take scripture out of context.
Because this is not talking about ten percent to a local church. This is talking
about tithing to the storehouse. And what is tithing? Tithing is not just ten
percent, and we’re going to look at that. But first there are people who say, Yeh
but Torban this is not the only place we read about giving the tithe. Jesus even
spoke about it and we should listen to Jesus. And then people quote Luke 11,
where Jesus is talking to the Pharisees and Jesus is saying this, “It is bad for
you proud, religious law-keepers! You give one tenth, that is tithing, one
tenth part of your spices, but you give no thought to what is right and to the
love of God.” So Jesus is rebuking the religious people, the Pharisees, for
giving tithes, but they don’t focus on what is right, the love of God. And then
Jesus said, “You should do both of these.” Out of those two scriptures, it can look
like okay, tithing is also a New Testament thing, because Jesus said it. But let’s
look at it. First, what Jesus said here, He did not say it to you, He did not say
it to me. He said it to those people. That those Jews should give tithes. They
gave tithes of their spices and He said they should continue doing that. Why?
Because tithing has never been ten percent of your money, of your income to a local
church. Tithing is never just ten percent either. At that time tithing is a whole
system of taxes, because this is actually talking about taxes. You should pay tax.
If you don’t bring your tax to the country you are robbing from God. And Jesus said
to those local Jews that they should pay tax, like I now pay tax in Denmark. You
hopefully pay tax in your country? If you and me, if I don’t pay tax in
Denmark, it’s like robbing God because this system is put in from God and I need
to pay tax. This is actually tithing. And I make it even more clear to show
that tithing is never ten percent. Tithing is a whole system with different
rules where you can do this to do this and do this. Because some of the other places
we read about tithing. We read about some of those places here. One place, we read,
“If a man wants to redeem any of his tithe he shall add one fifth. And I’m sure that
this verse has been read many, many times. And many people know this verse. But this
verse has never been read in the church. That when “a man want to redeem his tithe
he shall add one fifth.” Another verse I’m also sure hasn’t been read in the church
from Deuteronomy 14, “And you shall eat it before the Lord.” So he’s talking
actually about that one time you said add one fifth. Another time, “you shall eat
the tithe yourself”. A third time we read actually here that, “In the end of every
third year you shall bring out your tithe and produce of that year, and then store
it up in your own gates. And then they leave it so that strangers and fatherless
can come and eat from it. So if you go down to the whole tithing thing, ten
percent (It’s not really ten), tithing is system the Israelites used to make the
country function. Tithing was not money. Tithing was what the earth produced.
And therefore it was from spices, animals, things that came from the earth.
And there were a lot of rules. There was a rule if you live far away from the
storehouse, then you sold your produce, took the money, travelled to Jerusalem,
then you buy things and then you offer that. And then you give that. So there
was a whole system and those people who should pay tithing or tax, were only those
people who owned earth in Israel. It was only those people. The strangers
should not pay tax. The people from other countries should not pay tax or tithing.
The Levites were working in the temple and therefore they should also not pay
tithes, but they received from the tithe themselves. And from that tithe they then
pay a tithe. So there was like a “Do, do, do..” system. And people don’t know that
because they don’t read the whole book. They don’t read the Old Testament. They
don’t read it. So they don’t read those verses and those verses, and those verses.
And about the whole system of tithing. Then we just take one verse which suits
us because we want ten percent for our churches. And then we use that verse and
there’s actually people going so far and saying, I’ve heard people at meetings SAYING, “If you dont pay ten percent to
this church you are robbing God and no robber is going to enter the kingdom of
God.” That is really misusing the scripture of God, in a bad, bad way. And
the sad thing is that I do believe that most pastors and leaders who are really
bringing the tithe thing up like that, know that they are wrong, but they need
the money. So again, tithing is not just ten percent, and this was to the store-
house. Why? There was a whole rule about that to the storehouse. It was said to the
Jews and it was only those people who owned earth, ground in Israel. Therefore,
Jesus said to the Jews there, that they should also pay tithes. And tithes should
be this, this, and this. That is for them. That is good. That is not for you and me
today, unless you are a Jew and own land in Israel and therefore you should pay
tax today. Voila! that’s how it was. Of course there are other examples of
tithing in Hebrews where we talk about Melchizadek, a high priest where Abraham
one time paid him the spoils of the wars. But it is not a teaching about tithing. He
is just talking about that he was a king and that that king should have a tithe,
like here you also read, some type of tithing was twenty three percent and
sometimes tithing was thirty three percent. It depended on whether or not
they had a king. So there was a whole system. Now we have a king and that
king is Jesus. He’s our king. What does Jesus say we should give to Him? Our
life! Everything! There was a young rich ruler you read about in Matthew 19 where
he said, “What shall I do?” Jesus was talking about the law and talking about
his heart. He had a problem with the heart so He said, “Sell everything, give
it away, come and follow Me and you will have a treasure in heaven.” It was
what Jesus said to that guy because he had a problem. He loved money. I
believe there are many people today in church who give tithes and they have
a problem that they only give ten percent. And they keep the ninety percent for
themselves and think everything is good. How much shall we give? I think we should
give it all. I don’t say that everybody should sell and give it away, but
everything belongs to Jesus if you got baptised to Him. If we have died with Him
our life, everything is His. Everything belongs to Him. And I think we should
have that attitude that we say, God, Jesus what do you want us to do? Sometimes
Jesus said to some people, as we read, “Sell everything and give it away and
come follow Him.”Sometimes He did not say it like that. Sometimes people
give and God loves a happy giver. And it’s good to give and I’m not against
people who tithe in a church and give ten percent. I don’t say it’s a sin. It’s
good to give. But it’s a problem if we take it up and make it a law. That you
have to do like this, you have to do like this, you have to etc. Give what He says
to give. Keep what He says to keep. Obey God. Everything belongs to Him.
So this was a little about tithing. I hope you got something out of that. Otherwise,
I have a chapter in my book, The Last Reformation, there is a chapter about
tithing. So okay I’m going to end up now. But it is just some examples of how
scriptures can be misused to get something out of people or create something that
isn’t Biblical. How shall we use this? We should just be aware where when you
read things, be aware when you go on the internet and read articles. Try to do what
I say, go and write,”Is baptism necessary for salvation? and find those articles
where it says, “no, no, no” and then see. some of the quotes. I guarantee you will
see this, you will see this, and you will see this. You will see those quotes.
So go in and try to be aware when you hear sermons, when people are preaching.
Try to take those scriptures in context and see is this actually what the Bible
is saying? So a good thing also is to go on the internet and find some Bibles
they have, before you start the letter, there are a description of the letter you
are reading Corinthians and some Bibles have descriptions before, that is good.
Read that description. If you don’t have that go on the internet and find it.
Read it before. Read something about the book and then read the book from
the beginning to the end. And then think okay, who is saying something? Paul is
saying something here in Corinthians. He said to that church, what is for them
and what is for us today. And then ask the Holy Spirit to teach you. Ask the
Holy Spirit to speak the truth to you. When we start to do that, we get our
glasses off and start to see the big picture. Not just chapters, not just
verses, but see the big picture and experience the life. Then everything
changes. And this is what I try to do with the Pioneer School. I try to draw the
big picture. I try to encourage you to experience the life. Go out, get born
again, get baptised, repent and get baptised in water and receive the Holy
Spirit. Find somebody who can help you. Then go out on the street, lay hands on
the sick, try to cast out some demons, start to lead people to Christ. Start to
see how the Holy Spirit is filling people up. Start to experience the life. Pray,
fast, seek God and experience the different tongues. Experience dreams,
experience the life, how the Holy Spirit is leading and talking and speaking and
everything. And then take the Bible and read it, letter by letter. Book by book.
And now you’re reading about somebody who is living the same life you’re living.
The same Holy Spirit. The same issues, the same life, the same love. And you see
that something is different because this is a different time, it’s a different
culture. They didn’t have internet, they didn’t have Facebook, they didn’t have
cars, they didn’t have planes. Some of the things they did were different. But
the Spirit is the same. The life is the same. And Jesus is the same. And this is
what makes the Bible suddenly amazing. It’s not a book about theology. It’s about
life. But it’s not a life you just read about. It’s a life you live. The Spirit
and then the word. Live that life I’ve been talking about. Okay. See it
again and again if you want. Go and see, if you haven’t seen
lesson 23, go and see that. If you haven’t seen the first
twenty lessons on the Pioneer School, go and see that. I will be back
again in maybe a month. I don’t know when. Right now I’m just seeking God. I have in
my heart, I want to do a teaching just about Jesus, to really go in and look at
what He actually said about the cost to follow Him. And this is a life of
persecution. This is a life of pain. This is not like a prosperity, me focused me
life. That is a life of dying and denying yourself and really following Him. I want
to look at that. And then I want to do an extra lesson about persecution. About
when things don’t go as we want them to. About life is hard. I’m happy. But life is
hard. Why? Because I follow Jesus. And everybody who follows Jesus is going
to experience persecution, in many different areas. So that is some of the
two lessons, two things I want to focus on And after that I have a heart to start to
focus more about building. What do we do with the new disciples? And how do
we build fellowship and churches and more about that. So this is what I have in
my heart. What I’m praying about right now When I will be ready for that, I don’t
know, but until then, make disciples, live with God and let the Holy Spirit
speak to you. God bless you. Goodbye. Subtitles by the Amara.org community

76 Replies to “Lesson 24 – Copy/paste Christianity – The Pioneer School Extra”

  1. Brother Torben I stopped giving tithes to my church, and started giving tithes to my sister who has left her job to go back to her home to start evangelizing and also give some money to my sisters at church who are unemployed. now my church is forever preaching about tithing because they no longer see my envelope(tithes), they have even talked about stolen money. all of this preaching has left me confused and guilty, like i committed a big sin. please advise me on how i should handle this situation.

  2. Torben said: go out get born again, get baptized in water and receive the Holy Spirit. When is a person born again? This comes before baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit? Please explain. Thanks for the Pioneer School.

  3. I love you Torben and what you are doing. I would like to challenge you on the issue of baptising in the name of Jesus Christ over "father, son and holy spirit". If there is no need for people to be re-baptised into the name of Jesus only, then why make an issue of it at all? They are both biblical. On the other hand, I see you and your disciples using the words 'die with Christ, rise with Christ' during baptism…. Something that is not found in scripture. Surely none of this is important. The important thing should be that the person is aware of what baptism means, the commitment they are making and they truly repent. God bless you brother.

  4. Although the Holy Spirit teaches us I'd say translations does matter. Some translations take away important verses or distort them to say something else than it originally did. I do believe Gods Spirit can reveal the truth behind those errors but it's good to know which translations is better.
    King James Version (KJV) and Aramaic English New Testament (AENT) is among the best english translations.

  5. Would it be correct to say that one is not born again until they have obeyed all of Acts2:38. That is they have repented of sins been baptized to Christ and filled with the Holy Spirit? Thanks again

  6. If one must be born again, baptized unto Jesus and receive the Holy Spirit then being born again must come before baptism or the infilling of the Spirit. Is this when a person believes on Jesus and repents of their sin? I want to know how to be born again. Thanks so much Torben.

  7. I have long said the same thing stop taking bit's and pieces from the word and use proper context. Understand that there were no verses and chapters or books in the word, that was done to the word in 300 AD or so by the Nicean council.

    These people who use one verse to explain a whole entire concept it makes no sense. Or then a verse here in this book and one there in that book, still it makes no sense.
    Yes the Holy Spirit gives us understanding wisdom knowledge and strength, if we do not have the Holy Spirit then we are not His because we are then doing it all in our own power, and we can do nothing without Him.

  8. I just love the truth I could listen all hours of the day and night to truth speaking truth believing truth teaching people Love Torben my brother in Christ because he speaks truth always and in just the exact way the Lord showed me as well. Praise you Father for Torben and truth and your word and your Holy Spirit who teaches us guides and directs us in truth and your will and ways.

  9. Paul, who wrote most of the new testament, was a Pharisee. So we know that he had the entire old testament memorized: Genesis to Malachi. His knowledge of the scriptures were of no value to Him. Even though the scriptures pointed towards Jesus Christ, he didn't see the truth & was actually torturing & killing His followers. But something amazing happened in Acts 9 when Jesus confronted him. Paul met Jesus Christ & repented. Paul writes in Phil. 3 that all of his religiosity was rubbish compared to KNOWING Jesus. The only way to KNOW Him is to repent, not by reading ABOUT Him.

  10. Just subscribed. Thank you Torben. One part of the tithe withheld from the income of the jews was to set aside for buying food for yourself and guests that you have at your house for feasts and holy days. Thank you for all you do.

  11. Thanks Torben, I enjoyed that. I like the way you bring out the full picture. I had a revelation while you were sharing about people saying it's by faith we are justified – it takes faith to receive Christ, Faith to be baptized and Faith to receive the Holy Spirit. And there's many things Christ has commanded us to do, when you read Romans 1: 5 and Romans 16:26 Paul writes that obedience comes from faith. Thanks again for your teachings, everything you say in the whole of the pioneer series confirms everything the Holy Spirit has been showing me and my wife for years. God bless brother.

  12. Брат Torben, я видела только 1-14 и 21 уроки, они были переведены на русский язык. Где можно посмотреть твои уроки на русском языке? Спасибо Богу за тебя. Слава Иисусу Христу!!!

  13. Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.Could it be that from Matthew 28:19 "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" that the name singular / authority is simply Jesus?When these two portions of scripture come together 'funny' things happen in my mind.What are your thoughts on this?

  14. Thank you Torben! about tithing… Matthew17:24-27 Then the children are free! Straining out the gnat: 'Pastors', "Give us your money! or you rob God!" Swallowing the camel the bigger picture being missed: Use everything at our disposal including money to show the love of God to others.

  15. Love all that you are doing Torben. Scripture and verse have been destroyed and corrupted by some Bible versions that are extremely 'unchristian'. Like NIV and NAB whose origins and writers were blatantly Satanic. These versions degrade and debase the name of God, The Father, Our Lord Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit. This matters to me. If I am saved into Christ and have the Holy Spirit within me, I have discernment and understand what I am reading. But, what about those who are unsaved and who I would want to help and direct to Jesus if the Bible and scriptures they read are corrupt and misleading. I have a KJV and a NKJV and there are striking differences between even those. Looking at other versions is okay, but lets make sure its actually authored by those with Christian views with God in their heart and minds

  16. you read the Bible and one day, a verse you read 100 times becomes a " rhema " a special word from the Holy Spirit for you …

  17. Excellent teaching, Torben! You made some interesting new points about tithing, I did not know about before.

    I am so privileged to learn what living is like when we recognize that not only our money belongs 100% to God, but our SELVES also. Almost a year ago, my dear mom passed away with cancer and I have no family of my own. So, I suddenly found myself very alone in this world.

    But, God has been so amazing to me and teaching me what it means to exchange our life for His life. I now no longer consider my life as my own, but completely His. This has freed me up from my selfish emotions, and I have lost the ability to be offended or abused by other people. Can you even imagine that? Everything that happens to me, I understand as happening to Jesus in me, and He is perfect love.

    All I am looking for now is, how can I be a blessing to others, and it has turned into a life of giving, and a denying of self and it is a beautiful life indeed. I want Jesus to take possession of me completely, that is my desire and goal… to be a reflection of the true God.

    Thank you for sharing… we are all growing into His amazing image.

  18. once again, great job Torben… new insights and confirmation on other subjects…this is pioneering better yet trail blazing…

  19. Yes they all were baptized but baptism is not the gift of God. For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. There is absolutely no work on the part of man for salvation lest we boast. Works or obedience follows faith , e.g. I will show you my faith by my works.

  20. You have caused me to open my mind more about how important baptism is. But what about Cornelius and his household. They received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized. So surely they were saved already. I know one person who believes he is following Jesus, but refuses to be baptized, I dont believe he is saved. But I have another friend who is in a Muslim family and has received Jesus, but has not been baptized. even though he wants to be. His mom told him he has to wait until he is 18. I suggested to him that he needs to pray and hear Gods voice on whether or not he should wait. What do you think about this particular situation? And also about what I mentioned about Cornelius?

  21. Love the testimony about the satanist who came to you, and when you prayed over him in tongues he said you spoke in a code language only he and his brother spoke, and you spoke to him in that code language about God. 'Awsome!

  22. Our works are always after salvation which proves our faith in Christ otherwise the thief on the cross could not be saved,. When I became a Christian I received the H. S. Then later I was baptized. The H. S. Didn't come to me when I was baptized rather He came into me when I received Christ. Rom. 8:16,17 . Baptism was my step of obedience. All my works are a result of my faith, not a pre-requisite for salvation. He did all for me otherwise I would be justified for my works like Cain whose offering was rejected even though it was his best,. A gift has no requirements to be done in order to receive. I'll give you a gift if you get baptized now your works justifies you. No, it is finished.

  23. Dear Torben! You can`t imagine, how much your teaching means to me. I was searching for a way to come into all what Jesus said, a follower will experience. And I ran against different church walls until I was all on my own. Now I am fasting and praying and I am sure, that great things are going to happen hear in Berlin!
    May I say one thing I can see in your new teachings. You seem to give answers to the people who are against you. You don`t need to! You say everything necessary in the first 20 lessons. No need to repeat it. Everybody can go and watch these 20 lessons again and again.;)
    Don`t waste time and strength in this. Go on just being a disciple!
    With Love

  24. That was new to me about the tithes. I had started to doubt it already, but what you said makes good Biblical sense. I do not regret the thousands of dollars I have paid over the years in tithes though, because I did it unto the Lord. But I figure I can use the money on evangelism, which I do, in buying boxes of tracts etc.

  25. The tithing question is resolved in 5 mins. Go to Acts 15, the first church council. This is where the question of what laws the new believers should follow is resolved. " For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to usto lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality." NO mention of tithing! DONE!

  26. Torben I think you should read more Christian biography's. There were many on fire believers scattered throughout history, who had both word and Spirit. The 19th century was particularly vibrant.

  27. Hi Torben , about Tithing I have one question.You explain that it is simply paying text. But at the some point the Pharisee want to trick Jesus and ask about if they should pay tax. He asked for a coin and stated give the King what belongs to the King and give God what belongs to God. So in my opinion these are two separate things. May be I am seeing things wrong,

  28. Hello Torben, I love your teaching, ur opening up a while new perspective to the bible for me
    I got 2 doubts
    1. What about prosperity, didn't Jesus become poor for us so that we can be rich, but my Pastor talks about prosperity in terms of cars and money and the Church roars loudly.
    I'm really confused, coz in Psalms 35 my Pastor quoted about prosperity, but other preachers say that you have to suffer.But in the end, Jesus died for our happiness and living a full life. So what does the bible say about prosperity?
    2. As u say the we shouldn't read the bible in terms of verse and chapter, because it started after many 100 years.
    So should we celebrate Christmas, even that was not there for many 100 years,Paul also didnt celebrate Christmas, so what does the bible say ?

  29. Hi Torben, recent bible versions in English were also changed by the Catholic church: facebook.com/notes/10201381234914480 Blessings!

  30. Hello Torben, I've been listening to your teaching and I love the truths,
    I got 1 more doubt
    Didn't Jesus change the sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday and also God rested on the seventh day
    I really dont remember where I read it
    But I heard in some preaching, the Pastor quoted some scripture from the new testament and said that All the disciples gathered on Sunday and broke bread,
    So what is it really?
    If Jesus didn't want a meeting on Sunday, then the Pastors have a really hectic problem of going out everyday and leading the members 😸😸
    So what is the truth?

  31. I have been a Christian since 1978. I have been a Disciple and a Bible student, filled with (continually being filled) the Holy Spirit, seeking God for His Understanding, for over 20 years, now. And, I say that to remind myself that, yet, there is so much I do not know.

    But this I know: This teaching is correct.

    The Bible has a Supernatural Source and that Source is God, through Jesus, that is The Word made Flesh. (John 1:1) And, once you have the Holy Spirit to Lead, Teach, Guide, Comfort and Convict you, He can lead us into all Truth.

    Teach it, Torben!

    Amen and Amen.

  32. When James said I will show you my faith by my works, faith without works is dead. A person can't say they have faith without works otherwise it wouldn't be faith. The difference is works for salvation are dead but works as a result of salvation is true faith,. If I thought I could gain salvation by one work I might as well become a Catholic and believe in purgatory, or do penance, or pay a priest x number of dollars to get rid of sin etc. If I had no works to prove my salvation , there would be no faith. Even my repentance is a gift from God. My flesh is an enemy of God and only He could bring me to Him. If baptism had a part of my salvation ,then I could add tithing, witnessing, prayer, going to church, being good to my neighbour, being kind to animals, keeping the sabbath, there is therefor no condemnation to those in Christ, not those in Christ and have been baptized, tithe, be good to your dog, treat your wife good, go witnessing like JWs. Who shall deliver me from this body of death, I thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord, if I get baptised

  33. Hi Torben, thank you for a very well presented video which I am sure will help many. I did notice though that while you correctly assert that repentance and remission of sins is the opening into the way that leads to life – being baptised into Christ Who is that Way, you then throw it away by saying folks who have been baptised in another name need not be as you put it 're-baptised' in Jesus name. Sorry but this does not make sense. Not one faith (gospel), one baptism (for remission of sins)??? How many are there?  If we assert that to be 'saved' one must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus the Christ and we ourselves set a different example by refusing to be so baptized for the remission of sins do we not confuse the hearers, as I have unfortunately seen in many who have attend more than 1 of your seminars and pioneer school. What we do is as important as what we say. For our own sake and for the sake of those watching. All the best, still praying for you with hope and love.

  34. While he presents himself as just reading and believing the book of Acts, led by the Holy Spirit, every word of his teaching is classic Pentecostal teaching. This is why you hear the Jesus name emphasis on Baptism, and the idea that every single person speaks in tongues upon receiving the Holy Spirit. As with American Pentecostals, he defers to his own subjective experience rather than the book of Corinthians that clearly testifies that not every believer speaks in tongues. He's a lot more sincere and doctrinally sound than most American charismatics today, he still maintains the foundational errors of the Pentecostals, There is one gift of tongues, and not all believers have this gift, yet Paul makes in clear that it is not the most important gift. It's a shame to hear him suppress the book of Corinthians while he speaks of other denominations doing the same with other texts. God did not send the Holy Spirit primarily to give us tongues or any other supernatural gift, but to give us the power to live in freedom from sin.

  35. some people who say the have the holly spirit says that we are born whit original sin in us.
    but that's a ly pleas read this

    5 Biblical Reasons for The Innocency of Infants

    ‘There are numerous Bible verses, in plain, literal language, that affirm the innocency of infants (…). Consider the following:

    (1) Scripture plainly teaches that sin is not inherited. “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20); every person is responsible for his own conduct (Romans 14:12).

    (2) Human sinfulness commences in that period of one’s life that is characterized as youth (Genesis 8:21; Jeremiah 3:25).

    (3) A child must reach a certain level of maturity before he is able to choose between evil and good (Isaiah 7:15, 16).

    (4) The qualities of little children are set forth as models for those who would aspire to enter the kingdom (Matthew 18:3; 19:14) and for those already in the church (1 Corinthians 14:20). Surely the Lord was not suggesting that we emulate little, totally corrupt sinners!

    (5) The human spirit is not inherited from one’s parents; rather, it is given by God (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Hebrews 12:9). Hence, at birth it must be as pure as the source from whence it comes.’

  36. Thank you torben, I have prayed for God to show me the way and lead me and tell me the truth and then I found the truth in this video because I have been told and my holy spirit has led me to torben disciple of Jesus, praise the Lord

  37. How about getting rid of the Bible altogether? In my opinion, spiritual experience should be the guide for people searching for God, not some paradox-filled collection of myths. Besides, the God of the old testament doesn't seem to be too pleasant person. Mostly, he just rages and kills people. Only rarely we can see him declare his love for human kind, but against the context of perpetual violence and calamities, it seems like a sick joke.
    If you seek to know why there is evil in the world, why is nature what it is, etc. there are a lot more plausible and humane explanations available. Find out information about fractal formations in nature, consciousness in relation of the hard problems in quantum physics, and near death experiences. I believe that God exists, but I also believe us humans have a tendency to make it look like us.

  38. Torben, thanks for sharing your insight in the various topics. I accept that tongues still exist but I do not see that this is mandatory for everyone who has been baptised with the Holy Spirit. God is the only one who gift the various spiritual gifts to believers as He pleases and not everyone has the same gifts.

  39. Thanks, Torben! I especially like your message about tithing and giving. I discovered this years ago when I studied (by myself) giving in the Bible, but you are the first person who has confirmed this. A dead person cannot own anything, but Christ in us owns all.

  40. Jesus says in Matthew 28 'Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
    Matthew 28:18‭-‬20

  41. Hi Torben, greetings from New Zealand. Thank you for these teachings I've just listened to 24 out of 24 and have learnt a lot. We were speaking to a Christian friend recently and found out he had never been baptised but he wanted to obey Jesus so my husband baptised him in the sea the next day, New Years Day. It was the first person my husband has baptised, praise God.
    I have a question following on from the last two lessons on Baptism. You didn't refer to Jesus' commands about baptism in Matthew where he says,
    'Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
    Why does Jesus say we should baptise in the name of all three but later in the Bible we only see baptism in Christ?
    Also, you mentioned (in lesson 23) that you would talk about how the church today has misunderstood the texts around women in the church, I hope you will talk about this soon.
    Thank you, God bless and please come to New Zealand as we couldn't see your team the last time.

  42. I am reminded in 1970's and earlier of the furore of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the divisions amongst the congregations of the message being preached. It swept the world and the truth set people free, God is just showing us truth again to set us free to walk in life

  43. Would you do a teaching and an article on Satan projecting emotions upon us. My sister had a vision of us praying and the enemy shooting arrows of light at us. Blessings brother!

  44. Hi Torben!
    Thank you for your wonderful teachings, they have really meant a lot to me and many other Christians in our town in Finland.
    I have some questions that have been on my mind for a while.

    What about the role of women? Should we not preach or teach? Are there some circumstances under which it is good that women teach or others where not? What about women as priests or leaders? Women and ministry in general?

    Thank you & Be blessed !

  45. Thank You! I keep my teaching simple.I am winner with Jeshua. I won even cancer when I sang to Lord!!! Bless You all in the name of Jesus mESSIAH!

  46. Well, you have tobe called in Jesus Christ and not just doing to go: Hebrew 5, 4 (John 3, 27) and 1. Cor. 1, 17.

  47. Confessing Christ
    (Luke 12:8-12)

    32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

  48. 14But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; 15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear. 1 Peter 3: 14-15

  49. Oh boy. This is deep. Church systems and those in it and who benefit from this – are not going to like this.

  50. Excellent teaching on water baptism and the need to follow the leading of the Spirit rather than following teachers with doctorate degrees but do not know how to hear from God, be led by the Holy Spirit of God, and to apply God's written words into our lives.

    I believe that Bible Colleges can only successfully be used by God's Spirit when the staff of a particular college are anointed Spirit led disciples who have first partaken of the fruits of the Kingdom. For the farmer who labors must be the first partaker of the fruits before he can teach others to bear fruits unto the Kingdom of God. Paul wrote, "The hardworking farmer should be the first to receive a share of the crops." (2 Tim. 2:6). Just as an unsuccessful secular farmer cannot successfully teach and train others to successfully bear fruits in growing crops if he has never reaped a good harvest, so professing Christian disciples cannot teach others to reap the harvest of the Kingdom if they have never done it themselves.

    According to scripture, we bear fruit by God successfully answering our prayers because we fully follow and apply God's written word into our lives. In John 15:7-8, Jesus said, "If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to My Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, proving yourselves to be My disciples."

    Here we have the evidence proving that true disciples of Jesus will abide in Christ's words by hearing and applying them. This opens the spiritual doorway for true disciples to ask in the prayers of faith because we have already met God's conditions for Him to hear and answer our prayers. In this way, we glorify our Heavenly Father by bearing much fruit, proving ourselves to be Christ's true disciples!

  51. Torben's teaching on tongues is 100% in agreement with the words of inspired scripture. There is a difference between the 9 gifts of the Spirit tongues and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit tongues which is for all true believers. Here is a small portion of an article I wrote about two different operations of speaking in tongues.

    We are not suggesting that we are not saved by grace through faith. Faith and grace are vital to salvation, but to teach belief alone as “whole salvation” is not scripturally founded. James said in his epistle, “You believe that there is one God. That's fine! Even the demons believe that and tremble with fear (James 2:19-ISV).”

    True belief will lead one to “believe upon Christ as the scripture has said” (“He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water” – John 7:38 NKJV) in order to receive “rivers of living water.” Genuine faith in Christ will cause a soul to obey the whole gospel message of repentance and remission of sins in Acts 2:38 (“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins”-Acts 2:38 / “repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name”- Luke 24:47). Therefore, true biblical faith leads to true repentance, true water baptism, and true Spirit baptism. Nowhere does the Bible give credence to the notion that belief or confession alone is whole salvation. While belief and confession are vital elements that lead to whole salvation. “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead you will be saved. For with the heart, one believes UNTO righteousness, and with the mouth CONFESSION IS MADE UNTO SALVATION.” (Romans 10:9-10)

    Roman 10:10 does not say that confession is salvation; it says that “confession is made unto salvation.”

    There is no disharmony between scriptures that speak of the necessity of belief, grace, and confession and the scriptures that speak of the necessity of being born of the water and Spirit in John 3:3-5. Hebrews chapter six verses one and two states that the Church of Jesus Christ is built upon the foundational doctrine of BAPTISMS, i.e. water and Spirit. Note that along with faith toward God, belief in the resurrection and eternal judgment, Hebrews chapter six does not state the doctrine of baptism (singular), it says, “the doctrine of BAPTISMS (plural)” which means that there is more than one type of baptism. The New Testament only speaks of two baptisms, one of water and one of the Spirit. Hence, both are necessary for all true believers to receive.


    “For the promise is unto you and to your children, and to all that afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” (Acts 2:39-KJV)

    Many people think that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues is not for us today. Other people also think that speaking in tongues only exists as one of the nine spiritual gifts listed in 1 Corinthians chapters twelve through fourteen. Therefore they contend that speaking in tongues is not for every believer. This contention is proved erroneous by 1 Corinthians 14:27. “If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.” (1 Corinthians 14:27)

    First, we must acknowledge that the apostle Paul was contextually addressing the spiritual gift of tongues along with the other eight gifts of the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians chapters twelve through fourteen which are received subsequent to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit with tongues. Hence, the spiritual gift of tongues which is received after one receives the gift of the Holy Spirit could only be in operation “by two, or at the most by three, and that by course (one at a time)” in one particular church meeting. Therefore, according to 1 Corinthians 14:27, if four persons spoke by the gift of tongues in one meeting someone would be out or order. Moreover, according to this scripture, if many spoke by the spiritual gift of tongues simultaneously in a given meeting of Spirit Filled Believers, this scripture would also be violated. We know that “God is not the author of confusion,” and scripture certainly does not contradict itself. Yet we read in Acts chapters 2, 8, 10, and 19 that many persons spoke in tongues simultaneously during the same meetings (much more than two or three by course). Hence, it is clear that the Bible speaks of two different manifestations of tongues: one as the prayer languages given to all believers for their personal edification and one as a distinct spiritual gift to be interpreted for the edification of a local assembly. It is this gift of tongues which the apostle states, “…ought to be interpreted.”

    “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these work by that one and the self-same Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will.”(1 Corinthians 12:7-11)

    Just as not all Christians have the operation of the spiritual gift of tongues and yet all Christians can speak in tongues – so likewise the same is true for many of the other gifts of the Spirit. All Christians must have at least a certain degree of faith (for example: faith for salvation), but clearly, not all Christians have the gift of faith. All Christians have at least some wisdom, but clearly, not all Christians have the gift of the word of wisdom. All Christians have a certain degree of knowledge, but clearly, not all have the gift of the word of knowledge.

    Second, the apostle Paul makes it candidly clear that he was primarily addressing the nine gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians chapters twelve through fourteen, not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which is clearly promised to all believers. “Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren . . .” (1 Corinthians 12:1) “. . . desire spiritual gifts, brethren . . .” (1 Corinthians 14:1)

    Since the scriptures teach that the operation of the gifts of the Spirit only occur subsequent to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit with the initial sign of tongues, we know that the scriptures address speaking with tongues as an operational gift of the Spirit for some believers, whilst the scriptures also speak of speaking with tongues for all believers. If there are not two different types of speaking in tongues addressed in scripture, then why does inspired scripture state that one type of tongues must be “by two, or at the most three, and that by course; and let one interpret (one at a time – 1 Corinthians 14:27)?” In Acts 2:1-4, we find another type of tongues was operational in that about one hundred and twenty Jewish believers spoke in tongues simultaneously all at once (Acts 2:1-4)? In Acts 10:44-48 we find that many Gentiles along with Cornelius received the same “gift of the Holy Spirit” by speaking with tongues all at once (more than only two or three people) just as the Jewish believers did on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 10:44-48). And again, we find that about twelve disciples of John the Baptist (more than two or three) who had believed in Jesus but had only known about John’s baptism were also filled with the Holy Spirit by speaking in other tongues all at the same time in one particular meeting with Paul (Acts 19:1-7).

    Thirdly, the Greek word for "gift" is always the word “dorea” when pertaining to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with tongues. However, in referring to the nine gifts of the Spirit the word “charisma” is always used. There is no place in the New Testament where one of these words is substituted for the other. The word “dorea” is never applied to any of the nine gifts of the Spirit and the word “charisma” is never applied to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Hence, we clearly have two different operations of tongues found in the Bible. One operation of tongues for all believers who have received the gift of the Holy Spirit and another operation of tongues for only certain believers having received the gift of tongues to be interpreted in the local church assemblies.

  52. Go ye into all the world preaching the gospel to every creature, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost

  53. Torben you understand the word "to baptize" wrong. In greek it was just simple word "to dip", and if you were reading it like that, you would never thougth that Galatians 3:27 and Romans 6:3-4 says about baptism in water, becasue there is nothing about water there, we were dip to Christ and into his death when we born again, when the Holy Spirit came into our lives, not during baptism in water.

    And about Romans 10, it is talking actually ABOUT unbelievers

  54. The one thing about the Pioneer School that remains unclear to me is John's baptism. I understand Jesus had not yet died. But I still do not understand the difference between John's baptism and the Acts era baptism.

    1.) Both were by submersion in water.
    2.) Both were for the remission of sins.
    3.) Jesus said specifically about John's baptism, that it was a necessary part of attaining righteousness.

    I don't see the baptisms after the Day of Pentecost as any different except that the name of Jesus was added to it. I am not trying to down play the power of Jesus' name. I am only saying that the Baptism of John was the same Baptism ( with Jesus' name implied). Just as Daniel, Job and Noah obtained Salvation– before Jesus was betrayed by Judas.

    I am open to anyone who can explain this to me more clearly.

    God bless!

  55. Psalm 8:2 King James Version (KJV)

    2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

  56. That's completely right. May many people be blessed through this teaching in the future of our church! God bless and protect you 😊

  57. Torben, if they commanded baptism in Jesus name several times in the bible, what is your biblical reason for not baptising those who are baptised in the titles? Is there any biblical justification for this? Would the apostles recognise the baptism in the titles?

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