How Deep Space Nine Actually Gets Religious Tolerance Right

How Deep Space Nine Actually Gets Religious Tolerance Right


All right, enough screwing around. Most recently in this series I looked at Star
Trek: Voyager, which is my least favorite show in the franchise. Here’s the cast having their photo taken
at JC Penney, by the way. So now I think it’s only fair that turn
my attention to my favorite Star Trek show. Deep Space Nine! But this isn’t as simple as it seems. After all, what facet of Deep Space Nine should
I examine? The character of Gul Dukat, arguably the most
compelling and three-dimensional of all Star Trek villains? Or perhaps the mystery of how Odo is able
to assume not only the form but also apparently the mass of much smaller objects? The glorious overacting of Avery Brooks? All excellent future topics. But for this first trip through the wormhole
– [snicker] – because – anyway – I think I’ll take a look at how Deep Space
Nine handles a complex subject better than any other Star Trek show. That subject is religion, and I’ll examine
it in this video, which I’m calling How Deep Space Nine Actually Gets Religious
Tolerance Right. Deep Space Nine is hardly the first Star Trek
show to portray religion. But it does deal with it much more explicitly,
and feature more overtly religious characters than its counterpart series in the franchise. Before DS9, the subject was mostly alluded
to rather than presented head-on. In the original series, it’s typically shown
to be a means of manipulating less advanced species. The religious beliefs of Captain Kirk and
his crew are left ambiguous, and it’s left to our imaginations whether life for most
citizens of the Federation includes a spiritual component at all. Diversity and pluralism seem to be cherished
values, so we can assume any religious communities that do exist are treated with respect and
afforded equality under the law, but in the big picture Federation society seems pretty
secular, organized not around religious beliefs, but around principles that presumably most
everyone can agree on: democracy, science, and coming to work in your pajamas. And when we get to The Next Generation it’s
very much the same thing, minus the pajamas. But only every once in awhile. Figured I’d get it outta the way early this
time. Anyway, all this changes when we get to Deep
Space Nine. Okay, the uniforms still look like pajamas,
but in terms of religion, it’s obvious from the very first episode that this series is
going to be very different. The space station after which the series is
named is located near a wormhole which the people of the nearby planet Bajor revere as
a celestial temple, the home of their gods, who the Bajorans call the Prophets. The lead protagonist of the series, Benjamin
Sisko, is not only the starfleet officer in command of the station, but also viewed by
the Bajorans as a holy figure, the Emissary of the Prophets whose coming was foretold
by their scriptures. By the end of the series, it’s been revealed
that the Prophets are responsible for Sisko’s very existence, and that he had been conceived
specifically for the purpose of becoming the Emissary. Not only that, but Sisko – who begins the
series extremely uncomfortable with his role in Bajoran theology – comes to accept his
role as the Emissary by the end of the series. Not only is it difficult to imagine, say,
Captain Kirk or Captain Picard in a role like this – it’s difficult to imagine the creators
of Star Trek: The Original Series or Star Trek: The Next Generation making the process
of coming to terms with being a holy figure in another culture’s religion a major part
of their long-term character development. When you judge the show by the expectations
set up by the previous series, it’s remarkable that the creators of Deep Space Nine chose
to tell the story of Sisko the Emissary at all. But as I said, that’s all long term stuff. Sisko’s emissary storyline is not a part
of every episode. It’s only the focal point of a handful of
episodes throughout the show’s seven year run. For the rest of this video, I want to look
at something a bit more specific. It’s an episode about the delicate balancing
act necessary when living in a religiously pluralistic society, and about the tensions
that can arise when one group decides respecting differing beliefs – even ones based on science
– is too much of a compromise. It’s the final episode of season one, titled
“In the Hands of the Prophets.” In the teaser we see Keiko O’Brien, who
is the school teacher on the station, instructing the students – including Commander Sisko’s
son Jake, Jake’s best buddy Nog, and a bunch of Bajoran children who don’t have names,
and I think they know why – because they’re extras. This day’s lesson is about the wormhole,
which makes sense since they live on a space station that is right next to it. Before the lesson can really get going, a
woman enters the classroom. And Keiko thinks, “Oh, Jesus, I’m having
that dream again where the station morphs into the psychiatric hospital from One Flew
Over the Cuckoo’s Nest! There’s Nurse Ratched! And there’s Frederickson, Ellis, Billy – wait,
those are from other series – I’m really starting to lose it. Where was I? There’s Cheswick, Harding, Chief, Martini
. . .” That’s right! One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest jokes! Because I want my demographics to skew as
old as possible. Donate to my Patreon, retirees! You can’t all have grandchildren. Anyway, Keiko says to the students, “Yeah,
this wormhole of ours is pretty cool, right? Let’s see – it leads to the other side
of the galaxy, it’s stable, it’s artificially constructed–” And Big Nurse is like, “You know what worries
me, Billy, is how your mother is going to take this.” [Winn:] “Keiko! I’m not Nurse Ratched! I’m Vedek Winn! Get your head in the game.” [Keiko:] “Sorry. What did you actually say?” [Winn:] “I said, why you teaching these
Bajoran children all this science? That ain’t no wormhole out there, that’s
our Celestial Temple, baby!” And Keiko’s like, “Okay, those are your
religious beliefs and I respect those, but I’m not teaching them religion – I’m
teaching them science.” And Winn’s like, “You’re teaching them
blasphemy – and I’m gonna shut you down!” And she leaves and Keiko’s standing there
thinking, “Are we sure she’s not Nurse Ratched? Because . . .” So we’re set up pretty neatly for a science
vs. religion showdown. But what I love about this episode is, that’s
not what it winds up being about at all. Instead of pitting Keiko’s starfleet approved
secular science lesson against the dogmas of Winn’s church to see which version will
be taught in the station’s classroom – which could easily have happened, because Star Trek
writers never tire of dramatizing trials, hearings, or arbitration of any kind – the
story becomes about how these people with clashing worldviews are going to be able to
live together, and whether that’s even possible. Sisko hopes it’s possible, but has his doubts. Even though Vedek Winn represents an orthodox
sect that doesn’t wield much influence within the Bajoran church, lots of the Bajorans on
the station agree with her that the religious view of the wormhole should be taught – including
Major Kira, who suggests to Keiko that she should teach students about the Celestial
Temple, or else maybe they should have a separate school for the Bajoran kids. And Keiko is like, “No, screw that, we’re
having one school and when it’s time for science class, I’m teachin’ ‘em science!” And Kira’s like, “This is gonna be tough
to resolve, because we have two opposing philosophies here.” And Keiko says, “I’m not teaching any
philosophy. I’m just teaching the kids about the wormhole
from a scientific point of view.” And Kira says, “That is a philosophy, you
numbskull.” And Keiko’s like, “I can’t believe we’re
actually arguing about this in whatever the hell year this is.” And Kira’s like, “It’s year 913 of the
Seventh Era,” And Keiko’s like, “Not on your planet’s
calendar, fool.” And Kira’s like, “What’d you just say
to me, bi–” And Sisko’s like, “I – heh – I can
see there’s a lot of tension in the room, so why don’t I just go talk to Vedek Winn
about this, huh? I’m sure if we discuss this like two reasonable
adults, we can reach a compromise that will satisfy everyone.” And Winn’s like, “You tell that school
teacher that I am on a mission from the Prophets and if she doesn’t cut out the science,
I will wreck her. Savvy? Go ask the last chump who crossed me how he
feels. Only, don’t expect him to say much.” And Sisko’s like, “Well, so much for that. Oh well, at least things can’t get any worse!” And then Winn says to Keiko, “Hey, how about
we just agree to disagree and you don’t teach anything about the wormhole?” And Keiko says, “Um, no, I’m not gonna
not teach my students about science just because some of it conflicts with the non-scientific
views of your church.” And Winn says, “Okay, then me and my Bajoran
crew are ooooooooooutta here!” And then a bunch of the Bajoran crew members
stop showing up for work in protest, and then somebody blows up the school, and it turns
out that someone was Neela, a Bajoran member of O’Brien’s engineering team, who later
tries to assassinate Vedek Bareil, a more moderate member of the Bajoran church and
main rival to Vedek Winn. Neela’s assassination attempt is foiled
when Sisko takes her out with a spear that isn’t quite of Goldbergian quality, but
still way better than that half-assed tackle Roman Reigns calls a finish. Anyway, Odo drags Neela away while she’s
all like “I did it for the prophehhhhhhhts!” And Kira turns on Winn and goes, “You asshole,
you set up this entire thing just to lure Bareil to the station so you could kill him,
didn’t you?” And Winn’s just like, “Whatever,” and
turns and walks away. Later, in Ops, Kira seems a little bummed
about the whole “religious leader orchestrating a bombing and an attempted assassination”
thing. And she tells Sisko, “You know, I guess
I supported Winn because I just wanted my faith to be as strong as hers.” And Sisko says, “Maybe it is. Because orthodoxy and extremism aren’t the
standards by which we measure strength of faith. To do that would be to treat the fundamentalists
like they had a monopoly on religious authenticity, as though only extremists can ever be true
believers, as if their version of their religion was the correct one and the only difference
between them and moderates was that moderates just weren’t as committed! And that! Ha ha ha ha! That would be ludicrous!” Okay, so out of all of that he only actually
said “Maybe it is.” I inferred the rest. The point of the episode doesn’t end up
being “Science good, religion bad,” or vice versa. Rather, the point is that when your society
includes people of many different religious faiths, and people of no religious faith,
ultimately you have to figure out a way that you can all coexist peacefully, fairly, and
honestly. That doesn’t mean deferring to religious
people in every conflict between the sacred and the secular. But nor does it mean erasing religious folks,
or dismissing their concerns out of hand. Lines have to be drawn, and extremism should
be recognized as a threat to everyone, religious or not, and treated as such, but the extremists
– like Vedek Winn – shouldn’t be allowed to speak for the entirety of their faiths. There’s a scene between Commander Sisko
and Jake that takes place a short while after Vedek Winn has announced that she and a group
of Bajorans are boycotting Keiko’s school. It’s a scene that sums up not only the theme
of this episode, but the general attitude toward religion demonstrated by Deep Space
Nine. It’s a simple scene, but a great one, and
it’s actually the main reason I wanted to make this video. It goes a little something like this. Jake comes home from school and tells his
dad that Keiko decided to teach her five remaining students about the persecution of Galileo,
because she’s not really into subtlety. Jake’s a smart kid, so he made the connection
between the Catholic Church’s reaction to Galileo’s heliocentrism and Vedek Winn’s
opposition to Keiko teaching the scientific facts about the wormhole right away. Then Jake says, “This argument is silly. They’re not prophets in a Celestial Temple. They’re freaky aliens in a wormhole. Where do the Bajorans get such stupid ideas?” And Sisko says, “Don’t say ‘stupid,’
okay? It’s ableist.” And Jake says, “Well, what am I supposed
to say instead?” And Sisko says, “I don’t know. Jesus. Get a vocabulary. I was just thinking how smart you were like
two seconds ago. Never mind. Look, my point is this: to you, the religious
beliefs of the Bajorans might seem foolish, but look at the facts: there is a wormhole
out there, and there are entities with remarkable abilities in that wormhole. If the Bajorans call it a Celestial Temple
instead, and think of those powerful entities as Prophets, maybe it’s just a matter of
interpretation. “And I’ll tell you something else, ya
little smartass: don’t forget that the Bajorans just got done living through a decades-long
military occupation by the Cardassians. For a lot of them, their religion was all
they had to lean on. And maybe they feel a very close connection
to that church, a connection not based on the plausibility of its beliefs, but rather
on the role the church as an institution played in the history of their community. And maybe we should keep that in mind and
not judge them so harshly for remaining loyal to a church that includes beliefs which seem
silly to us. And it’s me, the first black character to
lead a Star Trek series, saying this, because this show has layers.” And Jake is like, “Jesus, if you’re gonna
explain it to death why even bother?” Anyway. Good episode. And a fine example of Deep Space Nine’s
complex depiction of the challenges of building a pluralistic society where religion is treated
with respect but not allowed to displace science or serve as a shield for extremism. That’s it. This concludes my presentation. Oh, come on. We did this already. I mean . . . You, I tried to find a shirtless
photo of Sisko because I thought that would be a fun riff on this bit, but I couldn’t
find one. You know why I think that is? Because Avery Brooks doesn’t give it away
like this guy. Tart.

100 Replies to “How Deep Space Nine Actually Gets Religious Tolerance Right”

  1. I'd forgotten that was Winn. I just wonder how she'd have felt if Keiko started teaching about the Blessed Exchequer. She wants religion in school. How about a lesson on the Oralian Way? No?

  2. Our gods our dead… Ancient klingon warriors slew them long time ago… They were more troublen then tey were worth…

    Kira: I guess I will never understand Klingons…

    Miles: They like it that way…

  3. Well, Star Trek–the original one–"religion bad" seems more to be skewered towards "savage-looking", non-Christian, and polytheistic religions, considering the episode's "Arena" showing the existence of Jesus-like figure on Roman planet as hope for civilization, amounts of biblical quotes by Kirk and McCoy, and "Who Cried for Adonis" having theme monotheistic, secular, and non-theistic ideas of triumph (if a somber one) against Ancient deities.

  4. Another great Star Trek video! I totally agree that DS9 is still the best post OST series. However, and you knew this was coming, there was a ship's chapel onboard the original (No bloody A, B, C, D, or E) Enterprise. Remember the beginning and end of "Balance of Terror?" Also, couldn't the Vulcan approach to logic, as a way of life, and Serak as it's founder be considered a religion, with logic itself being the subject of worship? Lastly, in TNG, Worf and many of the Klingons also openly practice their religion (Remember the whole screaming thing when a warrior dies?)

  5. Man I really like this video and your points here. I remember feeling like this episode was just pulling its punches and was just the writers taking it easy on religious adherents. Having revisited it more recently, along with your observations, I think I'm with you on the values of pluralism and equality being better represented here. Good stuff, man.

  6. Hi! New to the channel; happy to inform that you have successfully run my personal ‘should I sub’ gauntlet. +1 buddy!

  7. I know this is an old video, and who knows if you are still getting these comments. Anyway, in reference to the topic of this video, I would love to hear your thoughts on Discovery S2E2 and how they deal with religion. I thought it was very good.

  8. Kill off any and all religions in my opinion, the universe would be better off if they never existed. For example: the dark ages, religion caused that, it we never had that hold on scientific knowledge and research, we would be colonizing other planets with ease.

  9. This episode is the one which best defines the whole 'philosophy' of DS9. It's an outstanding episode in a phenomenal series.

    Btw, you can put up as many half-dressed (or less!) pics of Jean-Luc as you want 💓. Or more 😄. Sure, there are younger characters who are hot (Alexander Siddig for one!), but for a woman of my age (with a thing for, er, 'short-haired' chaps – you should see my hubby of 30 years 💑💘), he's damned near perfect. Even his voice gives me goosebumps in the nicest way. Sigh…

  10. The subtitles are gold!!! SO GLAD I SUBBED keep being awesome, your ability to infer and think critically is giving me second hand intelligence, damn you smart

  11. I'm sorry but why do you have to respect religion??? I was raised with the understanding that respect has to be earned, thats why I don't respect 99,9999% of politicians, but that's a different topic. So, what did religion do to earn respect, in this case the Bajoran religion? Don't get me wrong here, there are certainly religious people who did respectable things, but that doesn't mean that religion needs to be respected! Because if a particullar religion wants to claim the "good-deed-points" from their followers, said deed must be specific to followers of that religion. For example if a kid is drowning in a lake and a member of the bajoran faith jumps into the lake to safe the kid, the religion can only claim "saving children from drowning" to their "respectable things this religion does" list if no other religion or non relgion would do this, or it's not a specific trade of your religion. So what did religion do that warrents respect? my guess … nothing. Not in real life nor in star trek.
    Oh and another disclaimer here, there is a hugh diffrence between not respecting something or someone and disrespecting it/him/her.

  12. Thanks for the spoiler Steve. Granted the series is at least a decade old now, but other than a handful of random episodes I haven't actually watched it properly until recently. Either way, love the Trek, Actually series!

  13. I know it'd never happen, but I would LOVE to watch a rendition of DS9 (or any Star Trek series really) thats just you dramatizing what's going on in each episode. They're honestly some of my favorite bits of your Trek videos.

  14. Arguably Kiera's faith is stronger since she doesn't seem to need to murder and destroy anyone or anything that doesn't agree with her. Maybe its because I'm NOT a fundamentalist dickhead, but I've never understood the "I'm going to force my religion on you and if you don't like it I'm going to murder you because God." I mean, if you are right and the Prophets, say, are real, arguably they'd be able to turn me to your way of thinking without you being a psychotic dick nozzle. Because bombings and assassination are DEFINITELY how you convince people you're right. #sarcasm

  15. Winn has never spoken to the prophets, who are aliens and not deities … so their entire religion is based on lies, their faith is false, and Keiko is right …

  16. Oh man, the wrestling references got me. I think you might be my favorite Trek discussion channel now.

  17. Just found the channel and… excellent stuff.

    This episode has always been one of my least favourite ones, until I watched it with my 13-year old daughter last month. And I got it for the first time. I had always watched it from the secular worldview of TOS/TNG. But it's far smarter and far subtler than i expected.

    We can't by nature rule out all possibilities. The fact a stable wormhole exists and that Cisco has spoken to The Prophets, shows their scientific knowledge was limited. Being able to balance the facts tested vs the meaning of those facts to different communities really showed why DS9 would go on to being arguably the best sci-fi series ever (well, save the whole Ezri Dax thing which marred the fantastic 7th series).

    Extremists don't speak for the majority of the devout in most faiths, mine included. But they have the strange ability to provide their opposition with the club to beat the 90% of normal believers. It's why secularists and believers of good character should unite to keep extremists from speaking for the masses.

  18. I would argue that even TOS portrayals of Vulcan culture and tradition imply a strong spiritual tradition, even if it is not based in a deity concept. Recall "Amok Time".

  19. The religious undertones was the main reason why I DS9 is my least favorite Star Trek show, that and Sisko's overacting and delusion that he was in a Shakespearian play throughout the series.

  20. I enjoyed DS9 as much as the rest of Star Trek, but the religious side of the show is the most sickening part of all Star Trek to me. I would hope that by the time a species reaches the point of a space-faring society they would no longer be burdened with religious nonsense.

  21. You need to do a video on a long standing debate that I have had with other trek fans, would Picards Tommy gun solution (or just the Picard solution) continue to work after the holodeck? I am of the belief that it would not work as the Borg would adapt to projectiles faster then they would to energy based weapons, but their are a number of fans that believe that they both could not adapt to bullets and that the TR 116 rifle, seen in the DS9 episode Feilds of Fire, would be the weapon of choice in this instant. What do you think.

  22. The federation does draw a line in the Bajoran religious beliefs. It comes in an episode where a 200 year old Bajoran artist comes out of the wormhole. He says he is the emissary and Sisko steps down from his position. The new emissary brings back the old ways of a caste based society. Sisko informs Winn that the Federation will not allow a society to join that has caste based discrimination.

  23. In general I would agree with your take on DS0 and religious belief. It was nice to see Starfleet actually have to interact with a religious group that was a bunch of cultists or taken in by an alien. I also like the way that Battlestar Galactica dealt with religion and religious extremism as a very real problem, but one in which we still need to allow for true belief in a way that can actually benefit society. So say we all.

  24. This is why I love DS9, because they didn't shy away from religion. Since TOS, the dreaded G-word was taboo in Trek and thankfully Berman and Braga changed that with DS9. B & B would go on to ruin Enterprise with that awful finale, but they did good here.

  25. Thanks for making these. I really liked Voyager when I was younger but I found Deep Space Nine very boring. A couple years ago when I was watching all of the Star Trek series over again, I stumbled onto a video remix of the Dominion war and it really explained it better and put the pieces together and kind of an action-packed wait. I gave Deep Space Nine another chance and it was really good. It does so many things right and you really feel connected to the characters

  26. Worf and other Klingons believed in the afterlife. It was called Stovelcore. Torres actually visited the barge of the discredited dead who would not make it to this great afterlife because they died a less than honorable death.

  27. Man, your stream came out of nowhere and blew me over. First the Riker vid (amusing), then the Prime Directive vid (oh, philosophical), now this one (legitimately insightful view of inter-cultural relations). I look forward to your other videos. 😀

  28. I like this episode. For me Blasphemie is one of the best episodes of Deep Space 9's first season. And the scene with Jake shows, what Star Trek is all about. Tolerance and trying to understand others views and motivations.

  29. He should have mentioned the "we only need one god" line from who mourns for adonis, which was originally "we don't need gods"

  30. Star Trek as a whole before DS9 not only secular, but hostiley atheistic. Next Generation Season 3 Episode 4 is a great example of this. After being mistaken for a god, Picard goes on this whole long speech about how all religion is primitive superstition that advanced civilizations grow beyond. It's self-righteous and condescending.

  31. The season 1 episode finale is about politics, not religion. Winn is an ambitious hypocrite.

  32. I don’t know what it is, and I don’t think you’re actively aiming for this, but you’re really nailing Keiko’s inflections when you talk for her lol

  33. I have this idea that each season and episode needs to be diagrammed to see all the story intricacies. I agree that the complexity is there, and the character development would dynamically overlay the storyline, which overlayed some deep philosophical argument, which overlayed political application for today, which overlayed even scientific questions that would be attempted to be answered with religious answers, and vice versa. I see very few other series that would tackle such complexity. I marveled at the writers and their talent. I also marveled at the producers who got such complexity by the networks…

  34. Dude your "presentations" on Trek are fantastic. You have a good sense of humor and don't try to beat people over the head with it. The breakdowns are easy to understand and given in an entertaining way.

    Keep it up man. Easily my favorite Trek fan channel on YT.

  35. I wouldn't say DS9 was only the best Trek series ever that handled Religion but one of the best shows in general to tackle it. Also huge props to Louise Fletcher for her acting over those 7 seasons, I genuinely can't think of a character I have ever truly genuinely hated and despised more than Winn.

  36. The key problem with this episode was them not arranging a little airlock "accident" for Vedict Winn right then. They would have saved themselves SO much trouble.

  37. The best portrayal of religion in Star Trek outside of Deep Space Nine is probably in "Balance of Terror", where the episode is book-ended by a wedding and a funeral in the Enterprise's chapel, components of a story that's in large part about how the broad strokes of life are pretty much the same for everyone, everywhere. But like Steve says, it's not direct engagement with the topic.

  38. let's not forget that these so called i.agi are prophets completely erased an entire fleet of dominian Gen Hadar soldiers.

  39. The frustrating thing about religion is that in many cases unless you are a true believer or God does a sovereign move and gives you a revelation of who He is everything said about him and his activity remains a mystery or is dismissed as fantasy.
    in our own Cultire there are accounts of people who have come face to face with The God of the bible Angelic and Demonic beings The Holy Spirit and subsequent signs and wonders and others who find it hard to believe having NOT experienced the same thing

  40. I was surprised that a sci fi series would have the courage to approach the subject of religion and to portray the characters in such a realistic compelling way instead of the cookie cutter approach that's often used with stories involving religious fogires

  41. I love your treatment and take-away message from DS9. It's a great vision to work towards (especially living in the bible belt).
    As far as religious themes in Star trek in general, don't forget the movie Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

  42. Another thing Star Trek often does well is the idea than when two sets of ideas, even the main characters' own, conflict, it's often a third point of view that helps reconcile either or both. It's one of those 'strengths in diversity' things that we probably don't make enough use of in the real world.

    Particularly cause not everyone's religion, even on this world as we know it, actually depends on book-authorities that contradict observable science.

  43. I'd argue that DS9 didn't really deal with religious tolerance very well at all. After all, the Bajoran's don't worship some invisible beings that they have to interpret writings from thousands of years ago. The "prophets" are real. They actually have sent items, the Orbs, that actually do give people visions, and or effect them. Yet everyone in the Federation, including Sisko to an extent, scoff at them.

  44. TBH the only thing that irritated me about the otherwise nuanced way DS9 dealt with religion (specifically the Bajoran religion) is that since The Prophets are clearly and unambiguously depicted as real beings, it ceases to become a 1:1 analogy for the role of faith and religious belief in real life

  45. Every time there's a school episode on Star trek, I think, Why is an educational system created by a bunch of 19th century Prussian militarists and the masters of the British Empire in order to rank and sort young people to take their rightfully determined place in society still being used in the supposedly free and egalitarian 24th century? When basically every piece of technology is like playing a video game, how have they not figured out that young people can quite easily teach themselves most of the skills they will need to navigate their world if given sufficient freedom and opportunity?

  46. It's interesting to know that one of gene Roddenberry's executive assistants and a consummate television insider was also a founding member of the modern American Humanist Society (and a close personal friend).

    ttps://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Susan_Sackett

    https://fanlore.org/wiki/Susan_Sackett

  47. Your retellings of different scenes are hilarious! I really like In the Hands of the Prophets, although it always strikes me just how poorly Keiko handled the religious pluralism in her class. One thing is that, if Jake’s understanding of the case against Galileo is representative of how she taught it, she did it pretty superficially. There were a lot of political concerns involved, and in that sense, it mirrors the episodes and the intentions of Winn better than it immediately seems. The other is that when she sums up the subjects she’s teaching, she doesn’t mention religious studies. She teaches a multicultural class with entirely different species in it, and she doesn’t teach religious studies. And while it surprises me that no one looked over her curriculum and thought «some knowledge of different religions would be really useful to the kids on this station» I have always liked how it shows that her position is far from flawless as well, because she hasn’t taken religion as serious as she probably should.

  48. Keiko is of course right. In science class you learn about science. The kids should also learn about the Prophets and the Celestial Temple but not as a fact. It can be talked about as a belief system held by the Bajorans that you can believe or not.

  49. I love your sense of humor! And the way you do your deep character / concept analysis. You're doing a heck of a job! Thank you so much!

  50. Steve Shives Are You Mad Sir Star Trek Voyager Had Lots To Say About Religeon My Most Memorable Episode Of Voyager Is Where That Race Of Dinosaur People Tried To Make One Of Thier Own Say They Were Mistaken On Knowing People Came From Thier Race?, That To Me Is The Biggest Insult To Any Race Of Beings Is Denying Your Own Identity. And Where You Came From Too. Its Bad Enough The Borg Steal Races To Assimulate But Races That Try Conforming Others To Do As They Say Or Die That Is Unacceptable. I Will Never Let No One Tell Me Or Force Me To Do Something I Do Not Want To Do Okay Sir. Rethink Voyager Okay.

  51. You should talk about the laws regarding genetic enhancement laws-Particularly the one that bans the genetically enhanced(as children and infants) from joining Starfleet or becoming doctors. They gave a lot of reasons (and examples like Khan) but, to me, it's still not a good enough reason to tell people with this background that they can't fulfill their life's dream because of an unfair law. So whatever job they do get, they'll probably be miserable at because they know they'll never be able to do what they love to do.

  52. Wouldn't this make Benjamin Sisko the single biggest violator of the prime directive and all of Star Trek Canon?

  53. I'm surprised you haven't done an episode about Winn, undoubtedly the most hated villain in Star Trek history. Seriously, credit where it's due to Louise Fletcher for making the character such an insufferable bitch. I mean really, she was absolutely vile, I'm surprised Section 31 didn't see her as a threat to the Federation's position on Bajor and had her ass taken out, heck I'm surprised Garak or Major Kira didn't kill her just for making them all miserable.

  54. Loved the One of Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest references. It's not just a movie for retirees. It's a timeless classic. The good one's stand the test of time. There's a bunch of classic 70s, and 60s movies I enjoy.

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