God Never Sinned – Do Mormons Agree?

God Never Sinned – Do Mormons Agree?


Aaron: Provided you’ve heard the couplet
‘As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be,’ do you believe it’s possible
that God the Father could have been a sinner in a past mortal probation, like us? Guest:
“Yeah.” Aaron:…Learning to become what we can become? Guest: “Honestly, yeah, I
think so.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been like us in the past, like a sinner, kind of progressing
to perfection and godhood like we are now? Guest: “No, because he was the only perfect
man to walk the earth, but he’s like us because he could die.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been like us, in the sense that he was a sinner in a past mortal
probation? Guest: “Yeah, yeah I do.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner in a past mortal probation when he lived his
life? Guest: “No way! Heavenly Father is perfect!” Aaron: So he was always perfect?
Guest: “There’s no way for him to commit sin. He is as always perfect as he was, as
he used to be.” Aaron: He never sinned in the past, though? He didn’t have to become
a god like we… Guest: “No, he’s not like us.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have once been like us, like a sinner who’s progressing into perfection,
into godhood, just like we’re progressing into perfection and godhood? Guest: “Sure,
it’s very possible. I mean, it says also that with God’s one eternal round – I think
it’s the same process that keeps going on, on and on and on through eternity. And so
yeah, it’s very possible that he was just a normal man like us that spent some time
in the world.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner in a past mortal probation? Guest: “Um, I do!
I think that making mistakes is an essential part of the learning process. So, if you follow
logic and reason, then I think that’s definitely a distinct possibility. Sure. It doesn’t
make him any less powerful or anything.” Aaron: Does it bother you that you’d be
worshipping a god who was once like us, in the sense that he was a sinner? Guest: “No,
it makes me more comfortable, actually. In the sense that we have hope to overcome. If
he could overcome, and be as great as he is, then certainly we have hope to overcome all
our trials, and sinful natures as well. So…” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner in a past mortal probation? Guest: “That’s
a difficult question. Um… I believe it’s possible. You mean God the Father? I view
him as maybe a… similar to Jesus. Lived a perfect life, and later became exalted.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father was once a sinner? Guest: “I don’t know. He’s like us, so, yes. There’s
a lot more to that than just what’s up front.” Aaron: Does it concern you that you’d be
worshipping a god who once a sinner like us? Guest: “Actually, (*****Can’t understand
this part*****) Aaron: So it encourages you in your worship that we can become gods, just
like he became god, even though we’re sinners and maybe he was too? How does that work?
Guest: “No, where he’s at now, that’s all that matters.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father was once a sinner like us? Guest 3: “Yeah I do… I think that. I think
so yeah.” Aaron: How does that make you feel? Guest 3: “Awesome that I’m able
to become a god.” Guest 1: “We have great potential.” Aaron: So it’s an encouragement
that he was once like us and that we can do what he did, in terms of progression? Guests
in agreement: “Yeah” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner like us? Guest: “I have no idea what to think
of that.” Aaron: Kind of up in the air? Guest: “Yeah.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner like us? Guest: “Um, at one point, before his
progression, yeah I’d say it’s maybe possible, but I don’t think there’s anything I’ve
ever read or heard that’s reliable that would say that, but I think it’s a possibility.”
Aaron: How does it make you feel that maybe you’d be worshipping a god who was once
like you in the sense that he was a sinner, perhaps, possibly? Guest: “Um, it would
make sense to me, knowing that it’s not unreachable to be like that, that he was once
like we are.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner like us? Guest: “I don’t believe so. I don’t
believe he was.” Aaron: Perfect like Jesus? Guest: “Yes.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner like us? Guest 2: “You know, that’s one of
the teachings I like. It’s not just a Mormon teaching. Like Protestantism, before there’s
perfectionism (***IS that what he said??***), it’s just something Mormonism borrowed.
And that’s one thing that I think really attracts me to Mormonism is the whole, how
we can become like god. And, God being a sinner, that’s really complicated because if there
was a Savior then, and his sins were washed clean through that Savior, then he wouldn’t
have been a sinner. Kind of like us. If we repent of our sins, then we become clean,
so it’s a complicated question. But yeah, I’m not gonna… I don’t know enough about
it really. I’m not going to say I would be shocked or horrified by it if that was
the case. If God had done anything wrong, I wouldn’t be shocked or horrified by that.”
Aaron: Fair enough. Guest 1: “I agree with what he said. I can’t add anything more
to that.” Aaron: How does it make you feel? How does it affect your worship and your view
of God that he perhaps could have been a sinner? Guest 2: “Well, if he ever was a sinner,
it would have been a long time ago, and he has definitely progressed past that, obviously.
And I don’t know the steps he would have had to take, to do to progress past that or
exactly what happens. Just like I don’t really know exactly what happens after this
life. So, it doesn’t affect my worship in any way, just because I don’t know enough
about it. Really I don’t – complicated stuff like that, I just don’t know enough about
it to let it distract me. I just try to focus on the more simple stuff, of just trying to
live better everyday, because that’s really what the teachings are, is just ‘try to
be better the next day than you were the day before.’” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner in a past mortal probation? Guest: “Uh, I don’t.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner like us? Guest: “A sinner like us? Um, you know,
I’ve heard a lot of things about that. And I’ve learned that ****who??*** did say that,
so I’d say that God experienced many things, just like the Savior did, so…” Aaron:
Kinda up in the air? Guest: “Yeah, to what extent? I don’t know. You know that’s
something our church really focuses on – we try to focus on what we’re doing here
in this life, and about Jesus Christ.” Aaron: How does it make you feel, and how does it
affect your worship that you could be worshipping a god who was
once a sinner, perhaps? Guest: “How does it make me feel, and how does it make me worship?
What?” Aaron: How does it affect your worship? Guest: “You know, it’s not something we
try to focus on in our worship. We do believe that we have the potential to become like
Heavenly Father, but I think what we are trying to focus on now is to be good Christians and
good disciples of Christ.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that God the Father
could have been a sinner in the past? Guest: “Well, before he received his exaltation,
he lived on a world, and it’s possible. But he also he could have been a Savior on
his world, as Jesus is on this world, and therefore he could have lived a sinless life
and therefore, not have. We don’t have his record; we don’t have information about
his life, so therefore we don’t know.” Aaron: It’s kind of up in the air. Guest:
“Yeah. There’s no doctrinal statements from the church about his life.” Aaron: Do you believe it’s possible that
God the Father could have been a sinner in a past mortal probation? Guest: “Yeah.”
Aaron: How does that make you feel, and how does it affect your worship? Guest: “Um,
it doesn’t affect my worship in any way. There’s some things I don’t quite understand,
that we don’t have doctrine on, but I have faith that the things I DO know are true
– that have been revealed. Everything will be revealed in time, so…” LDS missionaries singing Mormon hymn: “Hail
to the Prophet, ascended to heaven, Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain, Mingling
with God’s he can plan for his brethren, Death cannot conquer the hero again.“ Aaron: Do you think it’s possible that God
the Father could have been a sinner in a past mortal probation? Guests: “Absolutely.”
“Yes.” “He went through the same things we did, he knows what we’re going through,
and he obviously lived his life right since he became a god, so…” “He became our
Heavenly Father.” “He’s one of the greatest parents that ever lived.” Aaron: So, how
does that make you feel, and how does it affect your worship of God? Guest 2: “Makes me
feel really good because Heavenly Father went through the same things we did, he saw the
same things we had to go through, so he’s been there, he knows and all he wants to do
is for us to come and live with him again.” Guest 1: “It assures me that I can always
do better, and become like unto God, like the scriptures tell to. And that’s absolutely
an inspiration to live my life more according to the ways of the church. Because obviously
that’s where we all want to eventually get.” Aaron: Do you believe that it’s possible
that God the Father could have been a sinner in the past? Guest: “I believe in eternal
progression.” Aaron: What does that entail for you? What does that mean? Guest: “I
believe that everything is matter and spirit, and therefore God probably was a sinner, he
probably repented of his sins, and somehow he made his way up there where he is right
now. If he sinned or not, that’s not my concern.” Aaron: How does it make you feel,
how does it affect your worship? Guest: “My worship? Kinda makes me feel more closer to
him, in a way. I know that he felt the same things I’m feeling right now while I’m
alive, he went through similar things that I’m going through right now, and I’d eventually,
through practice and perfectning myself and whatever skills I need to develop, I can eventually
become like him. It gives me hope for the future, you know?” Aaron: Do you believe that it’s possible
that God the Father could have been a sinner in the past?
Guest 2: “I would have to study more, and see what is written about that.” Aaron: Do you believe that it’s possible
that God the Father could have been a sinner in the past?
Guests: “Yes.” “Yes, I believe so, too.” Aaron: How does that make you feel? Guest
1: “Um, that we can become like him.” Aaron: That we can become like him? Guests:
“Yes.” “Yes.” Aaron: Do you believe that it’s possible
that God the Father could have been a sinner in the past? Guest: “I don’t think so.
I don’t need to know that. No. Um, nah.” Aaron: Do you believe God could have been
a sinner in the past? Guest 1: “I know he was a man, with a physical body. He probably
strived as I am, today. I don’t consider him a sinner. I don’t know that. He had his own judges.” Aaron: He had his own judges, you say? Guest 1: “I
would think so.” Aaron:
What does that mean, I’m sorry. Guest 1: “I think he had his own tribulations to
go through.” Aaron: But you’re not sure whether those tribulations included sinful
temptations? Guest 1: “Oh, I’m sure they did. I’m sure, to become Heavenly Father,
he had to go through tribulations. If he was a sinner or not, I don’t know.”

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